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[H-B-C-Y-G]

No, injuries hurt him in the last couple seasons, other wise he'd still be one of the PP regulars on the team today.

[TuckerIntensity1]

QUOTE (spinner @ Sep 4 2008, 07:28 PM)

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And this idea of blaming JFJ for the contract really is a cop out because it takes two to tango. McCabe wanted to be paid like an elite player, he should have played like an elite player, not a minor leaguer. The moment he signs that contract, he is accountable for his play so please spare me the childish "it's not his fault" routine. Of course it's his fault, he's the one stepping out onto the ice!

The only reason you don't like it, is you know it's true. If he ain't worth it, don't sign him.

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QUOTE (spinner @ Sep 5 2008, 09:42 AM)

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The contract only makes it look worse.

That contract is the only reason he looks as bad as he's being made out to be.

If he ain't worth the money, don't sign him; even if that is how much he wants. Like we said before, trade him before then and you never have the problem. I don't blame McCabe for getting paid twice as much as he's worth when the guy who signed him to that made a boat load of other bad moves too. If it was his sole terrible signing, alright I could see somewhat of the point, but he didn't make many good ones.

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QUOTE (IstvanTheHun @ Sep 5 2008, 12:15 PM)

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then explain why he can't stick with one team? they always get rid of him after a few seasons....

Yeah, because that's why he's been traded and has played on four teams. I guess Doug Gilmour was a PITA too?

QUOTE (IstvanTheHun @ Sep 5 2008, 12:15 PM)

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He became the youngest captain ever for the Islanders and showed tremendous promise. Then he went to Vancouver where he couldnt block a beachball.
then he went to Chicago, where he had success on the PP, and learned to use canopener move. But his defencive lapses were too much for Chitown and they sent him packing again for +/- superstar Potsie lol. And then the same old same old in Toronto... limited offensive success, overshadowed by horrid defensive play.

Until the lockout he was one of our top two defencemen, heck he was his entire stint here. I guess as soon as they move on we'll throw up the entire defence core minus Kaberle?

[TuckerIntensity1]

Interesting... total votes 17, results are 12-11? That's 23.

[trivia_guru]

absolutley not, give yer head a shake

new poll, should istavan be be in the hall of shame :-)

[IstvanTheHun]

come on, where is the typical Leafs rancour!!! lol

[IstvanTheHun]

QUOTE (TuckerIntensity @ Sep 5 2008, 08:19 AM)

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That contract is the only reason he looks as bad as he's being made out to be.

If he ain't worth the money, don't sign him; even if that is how much he wants. Like we said before, trade him before then and you never have the problem. I don't blame McCabe for getting paid twice as much as he's worth when the guy who signed him to that made a boat load of other bad moves too. If it was his sole terrible signing, alright I could see somewhat of the point, but he didn't make many good ones.

then explain why he can't stick with one team? they always get rid of him after a few seasons....

He became the youngest captain ever for the Islanders and showed tremendous promise. Then he went to Vancouver where he couldnt block a beachball.
then he went to Chicago, where he had success on the PP, and learned to use canopener move. But his defencive lapses were too much for Chitown and they sent him packing again for +/- superstar Potsie lol. And then the same old same old in Toronto... limited offensive success, overshadowed by horrid defensive play.

[IstvanTheHun]

QUOTE (TuckerIntensity @ Sep 5 2008, 11:18 AM)

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Yeah, because that's why he's been traded and has played on four teams. I guess Doug Gilmour was a PITA too?

theres a little bit of an age difference, from when Dougie was traded away from Toronto.... We never had to trade Gilmour because he was so awful he passed more often to the other team than his own partner

QUOTE (TuckerIntensity @ Sep 5 2008, 11:18 AM)

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Until the lockout he was one of our top two defencemen, heck he was his entire stint here.

LMAO, and look how terrible we were, esp our defence!!!

[IstvanTheHun]

QUOTE (TuckerIntensity @ Sep 6 2008, 08:54 AM)

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Interesting... total votes 17, results are 12-11? That's 23.

QUOTE (joyzee guy @ Sep 15 2008, 03:23 PM)

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Also, why don't the YES and NO votes add to the total?

that is strange.... the total should be 30, not 24.

spinner explain this phenomenon. Is the poll tainted?

[IstvanTheHun]

we need more votes. come one more than 33 people care about whether or not McCabe gets shamed in HOS!!

[IstvanTheHun]

come on, where is the typical Leafs rancour!!! lol

[IstvanTheHun]

QUOTE (TuckerIntensity @ Sep 5 2008, 08:19 AM)

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That contract is the only reason he looks as bad as he's being made out to be.

If he ain't worth the money, don't sign him; even if that is how much he wants. Like we said before, trade him before then and you never have the problem. I don't blame McCabe for getting paid twice as much as he's worth when the guy who signed him to that made a boat load of other bad moves too. If it was his sole terrible signing, alright I could see somewhat of the point, but he didn't make many good ones.

then explain why he can't stick with one team? they always get rid of him after a few seasons....

He became the youngest captain ever for the Islanders and showed tremendous promise. Then he went to Vancouver where he couldnt block a beachball.
then he went to Chicago, where he had success on the PP, and learned to use canopener move. But his defencive lapses were too much for Chitown and they sent him packing again for +/- superstar Potsie lol. And then the same old same old in Toronto... limited offensive success, overshadowed by horrid defensive play.

[IstvanTheHun]

QUOTE (TuckerIntensity @ Sep 5 2008, 11:18 AM)

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Yeah, because that's why he's been traded and has played on four teams. I guess Doug Gilmour was a PITA too?

theres a little bit of an age difference, from when Dougie was traded away from Toronto.... We never had to trade Gilmour because he was so awful he passed more often to the other team than his own partner

QUOTE (TuckerIntensity @ Sep 5 2008, 11:18 AM)

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Until the lockout he was one of our top two defencemen, heck he was his entire stint here.

LMAO, and look how terrible we were, esp our defence!!!

[IstvanTheHun]

QUOTE (TuckerIntensity @ Sep 6 2008, 08:54 AM)

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Interesting... total votes 17, results are 12-11? That's 23.

QUOTE (joyzee guy @ Sep 15 2008, 03:23 PM)

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Also, why don't the YES and NO votes add to the total?

that is strange.... the total should be 30, not 24.

spinner explain this phenomenon. Is the poll tainted?

[IstvanTheHun]

we need more votes. come one more than 33 people care about whether or not McCabe gets shamed in HOS!!

[loxcane1]

i say yes... but not because of his poor play, but because of the whole debacle that's taken place from the day McCabe came to Toronto until now... he should be in there because everyone involved would have been better had McCabe never been traded to Toronto.

[duck12]

Nope. Blame JFJ, not him, for giving him a contract he didn't necessarily deserve.

[duck12]

QUOTE (spinner @ Sep 8 2008, 09:02 PM)

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Not when I know the responsibilities that come with the contract! Or what the expectations would be of me after signing a contract of that magnitude. McCabe wanted to be paid like a $7 million player so people expected him to play like one. He is just as responsible for accepting that contract as JFJ is for signing it so don't say it isn't his fault.

Why do you think Mats Sundin did not accept the the $20 million offer from Vancouver? He does not want to be in a position where people are expecting him to play like a $20 million player! It is called accountability and Sundin has enough pride and sense to know what his limitations are. He is not a greedy SOB to just take the highest offer.

You know Mats personally?

... Seems like a lot of assumptions you're throwing around in that post.

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QUOTE (joyzee guy @ Sep 4 2008, 05:36 PM)

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I say no, only because we seem to be bending the rules to rush him in. Since there is already a small but vocal movement objecting to his inclusion, let's wait the normal mandatory period.

Then crucify him.

The waiting period is up! He's a Florida Panther and LeafsNation should be celebrating!

QUOTE (duck @ Sep 4 2008, 06:25 PM)

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Nope. Blame JFJ, not him, for giving him a contract he didn't necessarily deserve.

This has nothing to do with his contract. JFJ wasn't the one giving up the puck to left, right, and centre. JFJ wasn't the one taking bad penalties. JFJ wasn't the one skating into his own net and scoring into his own goal. JFJ wasn't the one with the selfish attitude and lackadaisical effort on defense. JFJ wasn't the one-trick pony on the PP who could not adjust when opposing penalty killers blocked his shot. JFJ wasn't the one who shrugged off the giveaways.

And this idea of blaming JFJ for the contract really is a cop out because it takes two to tango. McCabe wanted to be paid like an elite player, he should have played like an elite player, not a minor leaguer. The moment he signs that contract, he is accountable for his play so please spare me the childish "it's not his fault" routine. Of course it's his fault, he's the one stepping out onto the ice!