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[doctorkong]

Shanahan?

[TuckerIntensity1]

QUOTE (Coach Gipper @ May 8 2009, 04:52 AM)

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No, in the top-50 part, four goalies, you said there were only three.

Top 50 in games played, not his Top 50.

And yikes, that list is weak... not the way it's put together, just the actual players on it. Yikes.

[TuckerIntensity1]

QUOTE (Coach Gipper @ May 8 2009, 03:33 PM)

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Oops, missed that part.

I dunno, I don't think it's horrible offensively, and it has a Conn Smythe trophy winner in goal...the defense is pretty bad, though, outside of Wesley.

It owns the Anaheim list! The top isn't bad at all, it's the depth. I noticed this in the Leafs list when I was doing the last 20-40. It got thin for players that really meant something.

[seventieslord]

Jeez. Have they even had 40 players?

seriously though. I'll give it my best shot in half an hour or less.

1. Ron Francis
2.





....oh doo doo.

[seventieslord]

OK, for real this time.

forwards:

Ron Francis
Rod Brind'Amour
Eric Staal
Pat Verbeek
Ray Ferraro
Mike Rogers
Blaine Stoughton
Sami Kapanen
Sylvain Turgeon
Jeff O'Neill
Geoff Sanderson
Keith Primeau
Mark Janssens
Andrew Cassels
Robert Kron
Mark Johnson
Dean Evason
Erik Cole
Ray Whitney
Dave Keon
Martin Gelinas
Kevyn Adams
Paul Ranheim
Bates Battaglia
Cory Stillman
Craig Adams
Paul MacDermid

defensemen:

Glen Wesley
Ulf Samuelsson
Sylvain Cote
Joel Quenneville
Sean Hill
Niclas Wallin
Adam Burt
Mark Howe
Dave Babych
Randy Ladouceur
Bred Hedican
Aaron Ward
Marek Malik
Frantisek Kaberle
Brad McCrimmon
Zarley Zalapski
Brad Shaw
Mike Commodore

goalies:

Arturs Irbe
Cam Ward
Mike Liut
Sean Burke
Peter Sidorkiewicz
Greg Millen

Final top-50:

1. Ron Francis
2. Glen Wesley
3. Rod Brind'Amour
4. Ulf Samuelsson
5. Eric Staal
6. Pat verbeek
7. Ray Ferraro
8. Mike Rogers
9. Blaine Stoughton
10. Arturs Irbe
11. Cam Ward
12. Sami Kapanen
13. Sylvain Cote
14. Sylvain Turgeon
15. Jeff O'Neill
16. Mike Liut
17. Joel Quenneville
18. Geoff Sanderson
19. Keith Primeau
20. Sean Burke
21. Sean Hill
22. Niclas Wallin
23. Mark Janssens
24. Andrew Cassels
25. Adam Burt
26. Robert Kron
27. Mark Johnson
28. Dean Evason
29. Erik Cole
30. Mark Howe
31. Dave Babych
32. Ray Whitney
33. Randy Ladouceur
34. Dave Keon
35. Peter Sidorkiewicz
36. Bret Hediacn
37. Martin Gelinas
38. Aaron Ward
39. Marek Malik
40. Kevyn Adams
41. Paul Ranheim
42. Frantisek Kaberle
43. Bates Battaglia
44. Brad McCrimmon
45. Zarley Zalapski
46. Cory Stillman
47. Greg Millen
48. Brad Shaw
49. Paul MacDermid
50. Mike Commodore

I find that there is a lot better depth at the top for forwards. This franchise goes through defensemen and goalies like socks.

Out of their top-50 in GP, just three are goalies and 15 are defensemen.

[seventieslord]

QUOTE (Coach Gipper @ May 7 2009, 10:18 PM)

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You have four goalies listed: Irbe, Ward, Burke, and Sidorkiewicz.

...and Liut... and Millen... for a total of six... but what's your point?

[seventieslord]

QUOTE (Coach Gipper @ May 8 2009, 01:33 PM)

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Oops, missed that part.

I dunno, I don't think it's horrible offensively, and it has a Conn Smythe trophy winner in goal...the defense is pretty bad, though, outside of Wesley.

There have been some good players on the blueline for this franchise - they were just there for such a short time, or past their primes, or both.

[seventieslord]

Not so much for up-front though.

It's just that Francis, Brind'Amour, Staal, Verbeek, Ferraro, Rogers, Stoughton, and Kapanen are a much stronger group of Whalers/Canes than Wesley, Samuelsson, Cote, Quenneville, Hill, Wallin, and Burt.

[seventieslord]

LOL, that was clearly an oversight... or I just don't like Dineen.

[Coach_Gipper]

QUOTE (seventieslord @ May 7 2009, 10:00 PM)

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OK, for real this time.

forwards:

Ron Francis
Rod Brind'Amour
Eric Staal
Pat Verbeek
Ray Ferraro
Mike Rogers
Blaine Stoughton
Sami Kapanen
Sylvain Turgeon
Jeff O'Neill
Geoff Sanderson
Keith Primeau
Mark Janssens
Andrew Cassels
Robert Kron
Mark Johnson
Dean Evason
Erik Cole
Ray Whitney
Dave Keon
Martin Gelinas
Kevyn Adams
Paul Ranheim
Bates Battaglia
Cory Stillman
Craig Adams
Paul MacDermid

defensemen:

Glen Wesley
Ulf Samuelsson
Sylvain Cote
Joel Quenneville
Sean Hill
Niclas Wallin
Adam Burt
Mark Howe
Dave Babych
Randy Ladouceur
Bred Hedican
Aaron Ward
Marek Malik
Frantisek Kaberle
Brad McCrimmon
Zarley Zalapski
Brad Shaw
Mike Commodore

goalies:

Arturs Irbe
Cam Ward
Mike Liut
Sean Burke
Peter Sidorkiewicz
Greg Millen

Final top-50:

1. Ron Francis
2. Glen Wesley
3. Rod Brind'Amour
4. Ulf Samuelsson
5. Eric Staal
6. Pat verbeek
7. Ray Ferraro
8. Mike Rogers
9. Blaine Stoughton
10. Arturs Irbe
11. Cam Ward
12. Sami Kapanen
13. Sylvain Cote
14. Sylvain Turgeon
15. Jeff O'Neill
16. Mike Liut
17. Joel Quenneville
18. Geoff Sanderson
19. Keith Primeau
20. Sean Burke
21. Sean Hill
22. Niclas Wallin
23. Mark Janssens
24. Andrew Cassels
25. Adam Burt
26. Robert Kron
27. Mark Johnson
28. Dean Evason
29. Erik Cole
30. Mark Howe
31. Dave Babych
32. Ray Whitney
33. Randy Ladouceur
34. Dave Keon
35. Peter Sidorkiewicz
36. Bret Hediacn
37. Martin Gelinas
38. Aaron Ward
39. Marek Malik
40. Kevyn Adams
41. Paul Ranheim
42. Frantisek Kaberle
43. Bates Battaglia
44. Brad McCrimmon
45. Zarley Zalapski
46. Cory Stillman
47. Greg Millen
48. Brad Shaw
49. Paul MacDermid
50. Mike Commodore

I find that there is a lot better depth at the top for forwards. This franchise goes through defensemen and goalies like socks.

Out of their top-50 in GP, just three are goalies and 15 are defensemen.

You have four goalies listed: Irbe, Ward, Burke, and Sidorkiewicz.

[Coach_Gipper]

QUOTE (seventieslord @ May 8 2009, 12:01 AM)

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...and Liut... and Millen... for a total of six... but what's your point?

No, in the top-50 part, four goalies, you said there were only three.

[Coach_Gipper]

QUOTE (TuckerIntensity @ May 8 2009, 07:13 AM)

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Top 50 in games played, not his Top 50.

And yikes, that list is weak... not the way it's put together, just the actual players on it. Yikes.

Oops, missed that part.

I dunno, I don't think it's horrible offensively, and it has a Conn Smythe trophy winner in goal...the defense is pretty bad, though, outside of Wesley.

[Coach_Gipper]

QUOTE (seventieslord @ May 8 2009, 03:50 PM)

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There have been some good players on the blueline for this franchise - they were just there for such a short time, or past their primes, or both.

Same goes for up front...I mean, you add in-their-primes Gordie Howe and Bobby Hull, and you've got a much better team. Who wants to mess with a line of Howe-Francis-Hull? That would be deadly.

[Coach_Gipper]

QUOTE (seventieslord @ May 15 2009, 10:17 AM)

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Not so much for up-front though.

It's just that Francis, Brind'Amour, Staal, Verbeek, Ferraro, Rogers, Stoughton, and Kapanen are a much stronger group of Whalers/Canes than Wesley, Samuelsson, Cote, Quenneville, Hill, Wallin, and Burt.

That's OK, this team was never known for playing any sort of defense.

[blair14]

I might rank Jeff O'Neill a bit higher. I don't know if that's a bias, the beer-induced judgment clouding, or a legit assessment, but I think he should be top 10.

[Lafleurs_Guy]

QUOTE (seventieslord @ May 7 2009, 11:00 PM)

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OK, for real this time.

forwards:

Ron Francis
Rod Brind'Amour
Eric Staal
Pat Verbeek
Ray Ferraro
Mike Rogers
Blaine Stoughton
Sami Kapanen
Sylvain Turgeon
Jeff O'Neill
Geoff Sanderson
Keith Primeau
Mark Janssens
Andrew Cassels
Robert Kron
Mark Johnson
Dean Evason
Erik Cole
Ray Whitney
Dave Keon
Martin Gelinas
Kevyn Adams
Paul Ranheim
Bates Battaglia
Cory Stillman
Craig Adams
Paul MacDermid

defensemen:

Glen Wesley
Ulf Samuelsson
Sylvain Cote
Joel Quenneville
Sean Hill
Niclas Wallin
Adam Burt
Mark Howe
Dave Babych
Randy Ladouceur
Bred Hedican
Aaron Ward
Marek Malik
Frantisek Kaberle
Brad McCrimmon
Zarley Zalapski
Brad Shaw
Mike Commodore

goalies:

Arturs Irbe
Cam Ward
Mike Liut
Sean Burke
Peter Sidorkiewicz
Greg Millen

Final top-50:

1. Ron Francis
2. Glen Wesley
3. Rod Brind'Amour
4. Ulf Samuelsson
5. Eric Staal
6. Pat verbeek
7. Ray Ferraro
8. Mike Rogers
9. Blaine Stoughton
10. Arturs Irbe
11. Cam Ward
12. Sami Kapanen
13. Sylvain Cote
14. Sylvain Turgeon
15. Jeff O'Neill
16. Mike Liut
17. Joel Quenneville
18. Geoff Sanderson
19. Keith Primeau
20. Sean Burke
21. Sean Hill
22. Niclas Wallin
23. Mark Janssens
24. Andrew Cassels
25. Adam Burt
26. Robert Kron
27. Mark Johnson
28. Dean Evason
29. Erik Cole
30. Mark Howe
31. Dave Babych
32. Ray Whitney
33. Randy Ladouceur
34. Dave Keon
35. Peter Sidorkiewicz
36. Bret Hediacn
37. Martin Gelinas
38. Aaron Ward
39. Marek Malik
40. Kevyn Adams
41. Paul Ranheim
42. Frantisek Kaberle
43. Bates Battaglia
44. Brad McCrimmon
45. Zarley Zalapski
46. Cory Stillman
47. Greg Millen
48. Brad Shaw
49. Paul MacDermid
50. Mike Commodore

I find that there is a lot better depth at the top for forwards. This franchise goes through defensemen and goalies like socks.

Out of their top-50 in GP, just three are goalies and 15 are defensemen.

No Kevin Dineen?

[Lafleurs_Guy]

QUOTE (seventieslord @ May 7 2009, 11:00 PM)

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OK, for real this time.

forwards:

Ron Francis
Rod Brind'Amour
Eric Staal
Pat Verbeek
Ray Ferraro
Mike Rogers
Blaine Stoughton
Sami Kapanen
Sylvain Turgeon
Jeff O'Neill
Geoff Sanderson
Keith Primeau
Mark Janssens
Andrew Cassels
Robert Kron
Mark Johnson
Dean Evason
Erik Cole
Ray Whitney
Dave Keon
Martin Gelinas
Kevyn Adams
Paul Ranheim
Bates Battaglia
Cory Stillman
Craig Adams
Paul MacDermid

defensemen:

Glen Wesley
Ulf Samuelsson
Sylvain Cote
Joel Quenneville
Sean Hill
Niclas Wallin
Adam Burt
Mark Howe
Dave Babych
Randy Ladouceur
Bred Hedican
Aaron Ward
Marek Malik
Frantisek Kaberle
Brad McCrimmon
Zarley Zalapski
Brad Shaw
Mike Commodore

goalies:

Arturs Irbe
Cam Ward
Mike Liut
Sean Burke
Peter Sidorkiewicz
Greg Millen

Final top-50:

1. Ron Francis
2. Glen Wesley
3. Rod Brind'Amour
4. Ulf Samuelsson
5. Eric Staal
6. Pat verbeek
7. Ray Ferraro
8. Mike Rogers
9. Blaine Stoughton
10. Arturs Irbe
11. Cam Ward
12. Sami Kapanen
13. Sylvain Cote
14. Sylvain Turgeon
15. Jeff O'Neill
16. Mike Liut
17. Joel Quenneville
18. Geoff Sanderson
19. Keith Primeau
20. Sean Burke
21. Sean Hill
22. Niclas Wallin
23. Mark Janssens
24. Andrew Cassels
25. Adam Burt
26. Robert Kron
27. Mark Johnson
28. Dean Evason
29. Erik Cole
30. Mark Howe
31. Dave Babych
32. Ray Whitney
33. Randy Ladouceur
34. Dave Keon
35. Peter Sidorkiewicz
36. Bret Hediacn
37. Martin Gelinas
38. Aaron Ward
39. Marek Malik
40. Kevyn Adams
41. Paul Ranheim
42. Frantisek Kaberle
43. Bates Battaglia
44. Brad McCrimmon
45. Zarley Zalapski
46. Cory Stillman
47. Greg Millen
48. Brad Shaw
49. Paul MacDermid
50. Mike Commodore

I find that there is a lot better depth at the top for forwards. This franchise goes through defensemen and goalies like socks.

Out of their top-50 in GP, just three are goalies and 15 are defensemen.

No Kevin Dineen?

[dustyboy316]

haha Verbeeks my second cousin.

[Leafs_Forever13]

Howe perhaps?

[transient1]

Dineen, Samuelsson, Liut, Brind'Amour, Sanderson, Staal, Verbeek