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[haroldballard69]

Bob Probert on Right Wing. Gordie Howe on Left wing. Dave Semenko in center. Frank Mahovlich on D, paired with Chris Chelios for good ol' fashion dirty stick play. These guys are backed up at least by Stu Grimson, Dale hunter, Claude Lemeiux, Scott stevens, Ted Lindsay, and someone huge like Zdeno Chara. Say maybe Ron Hextall in net. Please don't anyone add Tie Domi...I personally think he's overrated.

[preisst]

Billy Smith would be goalie, he trumps both Hextall and Belfour, by a lot.

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A name that comes to mind is Steve Durbano. Some other nasty characters ; Bryan Watson, Bob Gassoff, Dave Schultz, Denis Polonich, Andre Dupont, Dave Hutchison, Behn Wilson. Man there are dozens more, Sprague Cleghorn, 'Bad' Joe Hall, just to name a couple.

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QUOTE (Lafleurs Fries @ May 21 2009, 11:14 AM)

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Manson and Marchment are great picks, I completely forgot about them. Chelios would be good too as would Shore. Samuelsson is a no brainer on this team. Unless of course you already have Cam Neely in which case both guys would clobber each other in the dressing room.

I wonder about that. Was he mean and nasty and tough or just a really dirty player?

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QUOTE (Lafleurs Fries @ May 21 2009, 01:41 PM)

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If you're looking for nasty though, cheap shots and turtling are Lemieux and Sammy's forte. They'd absolutely be on my team of all time nasties. Just pair them up with Ferguson and whatch 'em go.

Tikanen would be a great addition too but Avery, Linesman and Lemieux can provide the agitation.


Ferguson Avery Probert
Baumgartner Linseman Nilan
Shultz Clarke C Lemieux
Williams Lindros Kocur

Sammuelson Horner
Manson Kasparitis
Ojdick Marchment

Hextall/Smith

Bench: Grimson, Domi, McSorely, Brashear

There ya go, a tough and irritating team filled with villains and cheap shot artists too.

Thats a good point. Guess it comes down to the semantics of the word 'nasty'.

Nasty in the sense of a cheap shot slimeball not usually willing to back up his unmanly actions then yea Sammuelson and C.Lemieux fill the slot.

Nasty in the sense that the guy will take no prisoners and be vicous but at the same time do so without the loserism of cheap shots then those guys don't make the cut.

Pronger would be an interesting study under these guidelines, he can be one ornery guy to deal with but at the same time he is sometimes prone to the super slime shots, i.e. the elbow to the head a couple years ago when he got suspended. That being said Pronger brings both styles to his game, Sammuelson was basically a turtling cheap shot artist looking to end careers so he looked tough as opposed to actually being tough.

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Bill Cook. The guy even looks mean.

[koho-2]

Lindsay - Nels Stewart - Howe
Hull - Trottier - Neely
Ferguson - Sittler - Richard
Semenko - Hunter - O'Reilly

Shore - Orr
Cleghorn - Potvin
Robinson - Fleming
Lionel Conacher

Hextall/Sawchuk

[PIPERSMAN63]

QUOTE (Preisst @ May 20 2009, 11:30 AM)

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Billy Smith would be goalie, he trumps both Hextall and Belfour, by a lot.

Without a doubt. Too bad a lot of people on the board are too young to have saw Battling Billy Smith.

[Zaditton]

Red Horner should be on D

Marty McSorely, Basil McRae

"Sick" Mick Vukota, of course

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QUOTE (seventieslord @ May 20 2009, 02:35 PM)

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Red Horner's a good choice. He wasn't dirty or mean... just tough. He led the league in PIMs 7 or 8 times but I read that he was actually a clean player who usually avoided stickwork. His PIMs were likely mostly from fighting. The compiled game summary sheets at the Hockey Summary Project will likely confirm this.

I believe you are correct. It's a good reason to have him on the team. Tough, but not penalizing the team because of it.

[Zaditton]

I figure this would be a good topic to ask about one of my all-time favourite players.

I know enough about how this guy produced in the scoring department, but how did Pat Verbeek fare in terms of toughness?

Almost 3,000 PIM and nicknamed "The Little Ball of Hate", but was 5'9" and 190 lbs.

Was he a tough player? I only lived to see the back end of his career

[Zaditton]

QUOTE (seventieslord @ May 21 2009, 11:25 PM)

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He was more of a Claude Lemieux than a Cam Neely. A Dale Hunter without the fighting (Hunter fought four times as often) and excessive dirtiness. He only had 63 fights in his NHL career, meaning just over 10% of his PIMs came from fights. To last that long in the NHL and score goals the way he did at that size, and have almost 3000 PIMs, you have to be tough. He was not what I'd describe as a power forward though. More chippy than anything.

Nah, I didn't picture him as a fighter with his lack of size, but good to see he was resilient.

[Zaditton]

QUOTE (seventieslord @ May 21 2009, 11:28 PM)

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Tough, no doubt about it.

With his nickname, he was apparently disliked.

I remember trying to draft him and Ray Ferraro to get the Ball of Hate duo, but dreak beat me to it (I think he only drafted Verbeek though)

Although looking back, Ferraro would not have been a good pick. Good player, not great

[TieClark]

QUOTE (transient @ May 20 2009, 12:25 AM)

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Beat Tie Clark to the punch, Wendell Clark and Scott Stevens

Clark - Neely (I don't care if he wasn't a center, he'll learn)- Domi

Stevens - Orr (tough sob)

Belfour

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QUOTE (Preisst @ May 20 2009, 11:30 AM)

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Billy Smith would be goalie, he trumps both Hextall and Belfour, by a lot.

Took the words right out of my mouth, lol

QUOTE (Zaditton @ May 20 2009, 01:33 PM)

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Red Horner should be on D

Marty McSorely, Basil McRae

"Sick" Mick Vukota, of course

Vukota is a good choice.

Here's my defense:

Dave Manson
Ed Van Impe
Vladimir Konstantinov
Bryan Marchment
Darius Kasparitis
and Istvan's favourite, Ulfie Samuelsson, lol

QUOTE (Preisst @ May 20 2009, 01:48 PM)

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A name that comes to mind is Steve Durbano. Some other nasty characters ; Bryan Watson, Bob Gassoff, Dave Schultz, Denis Polonich, Andre Dupont, Dave Hutchison, Behn Wilson. Man there are dozens more, Sprague Cleghorn, 'Bad' Joe Hall, just to name a couple.

Good call on Durbano, I forgot about him.

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QUOTE (Preisst @ May 21 2009, 11:27 AM)

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I wonder about that. Was he mean and nasty and tough or just a really dirty player?

He was just the ultimate cheap shot artist, along with Lemieux. My list was made half-jokingly because the title somewhat conflicts with the opening post.

[seventieslord]

A lot of what I've heard about Clarke lately, indicates that he wasn't really that tough, rarely fought, and let others do his dirty work for him. But still, there's no questioning that he could be nasty.

A lot of the toughest guys in history could play too. A lot of them couldn't. Dave Brown and Behn Wilson would have a place on an all-tough team but they would never keep up with guys like Ted Lindsay, Wendel Clark, and even Tiger Williams.

[seventieslord]

Red Horner's a good choice. He wasn't dirty or mean... just tough. He led the league in PIMs 7 or 8 times but I read that he was actually a clean player who usually avoided stickwork. His PIMs were likely mostly from fighting. The compiled game summary sheets at the Hockey Summary Project will likely confirm this.

[seventieslord]

Wow, nice job. Even had the positions right.

[seventieslord]

I thought the same thing. If I'm looking for tough, I'm looking for fighting first and foremost. Not cheap shots and turtling.