figures it would be montreal, god knows they have won enough friggin cups already! Helps when you can ice a team that no one can compete with because they hog all the talented players as well. You think toronto would figure that out by now, how to build a winner
Stanley Cup Finals
Started by s13, Jan 10 2010 08:14 PM
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 08:54 PM
"Helps when you can ice a team that no one can compete with because they hog all the talented players as well."
Are you referring to the pre-draft era or the post-draft era? The Habs worked with the same rules as the other teams aside from two periods when the NHL gave them two picks of those from Quebec who hadn't signed a commitment with other clubs. Those periods, 1936-1943 and 1963-1969, yielded a grand total of three players who played in the NHL: Michel Plasse, Marc Tardif and Rejean Houle. The only other territorial rights the Habs had were the same as other teams: exclusive rights to players within their 50 mile territory. Naturally that territory was more lucrative for the Leafs and Habs than for the US based teams.
Before the draft, players outside the 50 mile territory of each team were fair game. The story of how the Habs got Beliveau is pretty well known, ultimately they had to buy the Quebec Senior Hockey League to force him to turn professional. Other clubs could have tried to sign Beliveau, but they either didn't try or gave up. Bobby Orr was 14 when he was signed to a C-Form by Boston and began to play in their organisation with Oshawa. Gordie Howe was passed on by the Rangers before Detroit signed him at 16. Bobby Hull is from Belleville and was signed by Chicago at 15, just over 100 miles from Toronto yet they missed him!
The real advantage the Habs had was intelligent and forward thinking management from Frank Selke and Sam Pollock: 15 Cups in 32 seasons. Selke developed an extensive farm system and stocked it with talented players signed under the same rules as those faced by the other teams, and when the draft evolved and expansion came along Pollock was left with plenty of quality players to deal for more meaningful picks. When Pollock moved on and was replaced by Grundman the time was nearly up, and the official death blow was when they took Wickenheiser over Savard: since then they have been a pretty average team.
Are you referring to the pre-draft era or the post-draft era? The Habs worked with the same rules as the other teams aside from two periods when the NHL gave them two picks of those from Quebec who hadn't signed a commitment with other clubs. Those periods, 1936-1943 and 1963-1969, yielded a grand total of three players who played in the NHL: Michel Plasse, Marc Tardif and Rejean Houle. The only other territorial rights the Habs had were the same as other teams: exclusive rights to players within their 50 mile territory. Naturally that territory was more lucrative for the Leafs and Habs than for the US based teams.
Before the draft, players outside the 50 mile territory of each team were fair game. The story of how the Habs got Beliveau is pretty well known, ultimately they had to buy the Quebec Senior Hockey League to force him to turn professional. Other clubs could have tried to sign Beliveau, but they either didn't try or gave up. Bobby Orr was 14 when he was signed to a C-Form by Boston and began to play in their organisation with Oshawa. Gordie Howe was passed on by the Rangers before Detroit signed him at 16. Bobby Hull is from Belleville and was signed by Chicago at 15, just over 100 miles from Toronto yet they missed him!
The real advantage the Habs had was intelligent and forward thinking management from Frank Selke and Sam Pollock: 15 Cups in 32 seasons. Selke developed an extensive farm system and stocked it with talented players signed under the same rules as those faced by the other teams, and when the draft evolved and expansion came along Pollock was left with plenty of quality players to deal for more meaningful picks. When Pollock moved on and was replaced by Grundman the time was nearly up, and the official death blow was when they took Wickenheiser over Savard: since then they have been a pretty average team.
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