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[ibeleaf23]

According to Darren Dreger of TSN, Brian Burke currently has an off on the table for Grabovski. He never specified which team but said the offer was a 2nd Rd pick and a prospect. He also said that Burke could push to turn the 2nd into a 1st but his preference was to sign him. Should the Leafs sign him, trade him or is Grabovski's future linked to the Rick Nash sweepstakes?

[Sonny_l_Styles]

Just curious. It used to be MacKenzie who had all the early dope on trades. Has Dreger ever been right and predicted a trade? I don't know 'cause I don't follow or listen to him.

[wdancdn]

Personally, I think that's a garbage deal for Grabo. If the Leafs got Lupul and Gardiner for Beauch last season, I cannot see Burke taking that. Only one way I take that deal, and that is if the prospect is Brayden Schenn (or that calibre)

[LeafsNationCitizen]

Agreed 100%. That's a garbage return for a premier second line centre unless of course Burkie intends to re-sign him this summer!.

[Sonny_l_Styles]

If the Leafs got Lupul and Gardiner for Beauch last season, I cannot see Burke taking that.

I would wager that deal was ***-for-tat with the inner circle of buddies. Just like I always assumed Cliff Fletcher had some influence in the Phaneuf deal.

edit: haha... foiled by the censors again.

[ibeleaf23]

Just curious. It used to be MacKenzie who had all the early dope on trades. Has Dreger ever been right and predicted a trade? I don't know 'cause I don't follow or listen to him.

Both Dreger and Mac were present during the conversation. It was during TSN's tradecentre round table discussion. I am not to good with the links but go to TSN.ca and you can watch the video on the right hand side of their home page!

[Sonny_l_Styles]

Both Dreger and Mac were present during the conversation. It was during TSN's tradecentre round table discussion. I am not to good with the links but go to TSN.ca and you can watch the video on the right hand side of their home page!

I see. Well if that is true then obviously Burke has no desire to re-sign him which seems odd and unlikely. That's why I don't follow that crap anymore.

[MaximumTaco]

I see. Well if that is true then obviously Burke has no desire to re-sign him which seems odd and unlikely. That's why I don't follow that crap anymore.

Not necessarily no desire. In that same conversation Dreger speculated that plan A is still to re-sign Grabovski; plan B is trading him.

Just because Burkie's entertaining offers doesn't mean he doesn't want to re-sign Grabs. It just gives Burke an out if Grabovski wants too much money or an unreasonable term or something. It's just smart managing not to be painted into a corner on Grabovski's contract negotiations.

In regards to the actual offer, it would depend on the prospect, but I don't see us winning this trade, even if Burke nets a 1st instead of a 2nd.

[minitruckin1983]

I hope we re-sign him. A 1st and a prospect DO NOT replace a guy like Grabo. Unless that prospect is of high caliber we shouldn't be doing anything but listening (which he's doing). The only way I could come to accept trading Grabo would be if we got a steal in return which this isn't IMO. In a strong draft this year we want PICKS! I would see which team I could fleece the worst for picks. We're a young team and we need to start drafting players for our young talent. That's my take on it anyways.

I don't see Burke doing anything before trade deadline anyways. I very highly doubt were getting Nash. Even though i'd love to have him we need to let our players develop and go through the draft to keep developing.

[FreemanMapleLeaf]

I also think we should re-sign, unless he's part of a deal we can't refuse. Grabo is one of the strongest 2nd line centers in the league and has the potential to be a game changer on any given night. He also has huge heart and seems to really want to be in Toronto. We have a young team with a lot of depth; there's nothing wrong with giving this team another year to develop.

FML

[Sonny_l_Styles]

Not necessarily no desire. In that same conversation Dreger speculated that plan A is still to re-sign Grabovski; plan B is trading him.

Just because Burkie's entertaining offers doesn't mean he doesn't want to re-sign Grabs. It just gives Burke an out if Grabovski wants too much money or an unreasonable term or something. It's just smart managing not to be painted into a corner on Grabovski's contract negotiations.

In regards to the actual offer, it would depend on the prospect, but I don't see us winning this trade, even if Burke nets a 1st instead of a 2nd.

Plan A, Plan B. That's really going out on limb. That's like saying the Leafs might win tomorrow, or they might lose.

[MaximumTaco]

Plan A, Plan B. That's really going out on limb. That's like saying the Leafs might win tomorrow, or they might lose.

How is it going out on a limb to assume Burke has a back up plan if he can't get Grabs signed? I certainly hope he does or he's a terrible GM.

Here's the scenario as I see it.
Burke negotiates with Grabs and his agent up until the trade deadline, Grabs and his agent want at least X million for X years and won't budge. Burke thinks Grabs is only worth Y million and wants Y years on the deal. Now should Burke
i) Bet on getting the deal done and then if necessary let Grabs walk in the off season to a team that will give him X million for X years.
ii) Work on a trade in the meantime so he has an alternative to losing Grabs for nothing in case a deal isn't done by the deadline.

How is it not smart to have a plan B when dealing with an impending UFA?

[Sonny_l_Styles]

How is it not smart to have a plan B when dealing with an impending UFA?

Because it's a given. Everyone already knows his contract is up. Plan A and Plan B doesn't even seem worth mentioning except for one reason. TSN has spots to sell and they don't have **** to talk about except the same old daily drivel.

[25alex56]

Because it's a given. Everyone already knows his contract is up. Plan A and Plan B doesn't even seem worth mentioning except for one reason. TSN has spots to sell and they don't have **** to talk about except the same old daily drivel.

Tell that to Buffalo when Drury and Briere bolted for nothing after their contracts ended...

Being a GM must be so easy.

[Sonny_l_Styles]

Tell that to Buffalo when Drury and Briere bolted for nothing after their contracts ended...

Being a GM must be so easy.

You missed my point. I am talking about reporters feeding the masses hypothetical news that's already easy to assess without the aid of hyped out sensationalized propaganda.

That was my only reason for the original question I asked about Dreger.

[topher1987]

The pick would be a late one (as I'm sure it's a contending team) so the prospect better be a real good one to even consider that deal.

[KidIsh]

Because it's a given. Everyone already knows his contract is up. Plan A and Plan B doesn't even seem worth mentioning except for one reason. TSN has spots to sell and they don't have **** to talk about except the same old daily drivel.

Someone within the Toronto organization provided TSN with the information, otherwise the second team would be known. If that's the case, and Burke has done this before with other organizations, the information was "leaked" to pressure Grabo's agent into rethinking his bargaining position.

Grabo presumably likes it here but rumor is he wants a hefty deal. Burke is letting him/his agent know: I will move you, without hesitation.

[J-BOLD]

How can anyone say that's a garbage deal for Grabo?

You don't even know who the prospect is..

[wdancdn]

How can anyone say that's a garbage deal for Grabo?

You don't even know who the prospect is..

IMO, it's garbage unless the prospect is a recent top 5 pick... just to clarify

[J-BOLD]

IMO, it's garbage unless the prospect is a recent top 5 pick... just to clarify

So, you think Grabovski is worth a top 5 pick?

even though, he's a pending UFA at seasons end....