Ok so the Leafs are picking 5th overall. According to scouts, that's likely going to be one of:
Alex Galchenyuk
Filip Forsberg
Matthew Dumba
Mikhail Grigorenko
(Yakupov & Murray are shoe-ins for 1,2 on almost every scouts mock draft)
Who do you want to see? Who do you predict? What would you do if you were GM?
One option would be to grab Alex Galchenyuk and package him to Columbus for you-know-who. Galchenyuk and Yakupov as a package might be a sweet deal for both sides.
Otherwise, I think any of the above guys might turn into quality players for us and they would immediately shoot near the top of our prospect pool. Beyond the top 5, the names start to thin out a little so the loss in the final game was perhaps a blessing in disguise.
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 03:12 PM
The leafs have four picks : 1st, 2nd, 5th & 6th ,all their own picks
How Many "shovels"..? LOL!
Thanks, OML..
Then..., I think snagging Andrei Vasilevski (the hot Russian goalie) should be 2nd on our priority list..., after trying to get Gal. and/or Grig.
I just love this kid! Even if we have to trade one of our picks down for him..
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 03:43 PM
I'm not so hyped up about Grigorenko, he has talent, but a lot of scouts have him as high-risk since his compete level is said to be missing. Doesn't sound like the guy we need.
Dumba, Murray, Yakupov seem at the top of any list (Dumba falls as low as 6th sometimes meaning we have a chance).
Galchenyuk was injured a lot this year but looks solid. If Columbus keeps their 1st (Yakupov) reuniting Galchenyuk and Nail could land us Rick Nash. Personally I'm done with the "Win Now" attitude but Nash in Toronto makes sense.
Filip Forsberg looks interesting. He was projected top 3 on some lists and as low as 8th on others.
Another guy shooting up the ranks is Radek Fask (sp?)
Either way you slice it, we land a QUALITY player this draft. Yes, even if we lose a spot in the lottery, we are still guaranteed one of the above.
Dumba, Murray, Yakupov seem at the top of any list (Dumba falls as low as 6th sometimes meaning we have a chance).
Galchenyuk was injured a lot this year but looks solid. If Columbus keeps their 1st (Yakupov) reuniting Galchenyuk and Nail could land us Rick Nash. Personally I'm done with the "Win Now" attitude but Nash in Toronto makes sense.
Filip Forsberg looks interesting. He was projected top 3 on some lists and as low as 8th on others.
Another guy shooting up the ranks is Radek Fask (sp?)
Either way you slice it, we land a QUALITY player this draft. Yes, even if we lose a spot in the lottery, we are still guaranteed one of the above.
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 03:50 PM
They likely won't take Dumba. He's a great defenceman but what we need is a #1 center or good skilled winger. If the draft lottery turns out well and we get 5th pick it will either be Galchenyuk or Forsberg if they are still available.Ok so the Leafs are picking 5th overall. According to scouts, that's likely going to be one of:
Alex Galchenyuk
Filip Forsberg
Matthew Dumba
Mikhail Grigorenko
(Yakupov & Murray are shoe-ins for 1,2 on almost every scouts mock draft)
Who do you want to see? Who do you predict? What would you do if you were GM?
One option would be to grab Alex Galchenyuk and package him to Columbus for you-know-who. Galchenyuk and Yakupov as a package might be a sweet deal for both sides.
Otherwise, I think any of the above guys might turn into quality players for us and they would immediately shoot near the top of our prospect pool. Beyond the top 5, the names start to thin out a little so the loss in the final game was perhaps a blessing in disguise.
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 03:52 PM
Filip Forsberg
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No, they’re not related.
With that out of the way, let’s talk about Filip Forsberg.
At 17 years old, Forsberg is the youngest player on the Swedish national junior team. He’s also one of the top ranked draft-eligible skaters in this year’s world junior hockey championship.
The 6’2”, 181-pound forward said he’s honoured to be the youngest player on the roster, but traveling across the pond to play in North America during the holidays wasn’t exactly a popular decision in the Forsberg household.
“Of course, mom and dad don’t like it much,” he laughed. “But I think it’s fun. It’s a huge experience to be here and play in this tournament, so it’s OK for me.”
To make things easier on his folks, Forsberg said he talks to them pretty much daily via Facebook or Skype.
Mom and dad better get used to Facebook and Skype because it won’t be long before Forsberg comes to North America for good.
Forsberg made a name for himself at the 2011 Ivan Hlinka Memorial Tournament, scoring six points in six games for the silver-medalist Swedes. He also ripped up the Swedish under-20 league last season, recording 40 points in 36 games.
Although he only has seven points in 26 games this season with Leksands in the second-tier men’s league in Sweden (the same team Oliver Ekman-Larsson played for before joining the Phoenix Coyotes), some scouts have compared the young Swede to Daniel Alfredsson.
He hasn’t proven himself playing against men, but he’s still pretty much a lock to crack the top 10 in this summer’s NHL Entry Draft.
Forsberg knows about the buzz — he’s also wise enough to ignore it.
“I’ve heard about some lists and stuff like that, and I’ve been ranked obviously high,” said Forsberg, whose favourite player growing up was, as expected, Peter Forsberg. “So of course, I know it but I don’t think about it so much when I play. I just try to play the game that has took me here so far. I can’t do much more.”
What he can do is help Team Sweden’s chances in this year’s tournament. And according to Sweden head coach Roger Rönnberg, he’ll be able to do just that.
“He’s a skillful player,” Rönnberg said. “He can contribute in all parts of the game. He can play the power play, the penalty kill, and he’s really a hard-working, good skater. And he loves to battle. Of course, he can also be the guy who makes the difference offensively.”
But most importantly, Rönnberg said Forsberg has the character that “good players have.”
“I think he’s going to be a really good player in the future,” he said.
But for now, he’s playing for Team Sweden. And that’s his focus. Forsberg said winning a gold medal would be “huge.”
“It would definitely be the highlight of my career so far,” Forsberg said.
Perhaps until his name gets called by an NHL team this summer.
“Obviously [playing in the] NHL is a huge dream,” he said.
But what’s his ultimate dream? Playing in the NHL, or playing in the Olympics?
“If I can, I’d want to do both.”
http://blogs.edmonto...ext-best-swede/
No, they’re not related.
With that out of the way, let’s talk about Filip Forsberg.
At 17 years old, Forsberg is the youngest player on the Swedish national junior team. He’s also one of the top ranked draft-eligible skaters in this year’s world junior hockey championship.
The 6’2”, 181-pound forward said he’s honoured to be the youngest player on the roster, but traveling across the pond to play in North America during the holidays wasn’t exactly a popular decision in the Forsberg household.
“Of course, mom and dad don’t like it much,” he laughed. “But I think it’s fun. It’s a huge experience to be here and play in this tournament, so it’s OK for me.”
To make things easier on his folks, Forsberg said he talks to them pretty much daily via Facebook or Skype.
Mom and dad better get used to Facebook and Skype because it won’t be long before Forsberg comes to North America for good.
Forsberg made a name for himself at the 2011 Ivan Hlinka Memorial Tournament, scoring six points in six games for the silver-medalist Swedes. He also ripped up the Swedish under-20 league last season, recording 40 points in 36 games.
Although he only has seven points in 26 games this season with Leksands in the second-tier men’s league in Sweden (the same team Oliver Ekman-Larsson played for before joining the Phoenix Coyotes), some scouts have compared the young Swede to Daniel Alfredsson.
He hasn’t proven himself playing against men, but he’s still pretty much a lock to crack the top 10 in this summer’s NHL Entry Draft.
Forsberg knows about the buzz — he’s also wise enough to ignore it.
“I’ve heard about some lists and stuff like that, and I’ve been ranked obviously high,” said Forsberg, whose favourite player growing up was, as expected, Peter Forsberg. “So of course, I know it but I don’t think about it so much when I play. I just try to play the game that has took me here so far. I can’t do much more.”
What he can do is help Team Sweden’s chances in this year’s tournament. And according to Sweden head coach Roger Rönnberg, he’ll be able to do just that.
“He’s a skillful player,” Rönnberg said. “He can contribute in all parts of the game. He can play the power play, the penalty kill, and he’s really a hard-working, good skater. And he loves to battle. Of course, he can also be the guy who makes the difference offensively.”
But most importantly, Rönnberg said Forsberg has the character that “good players have.”
“I think he’s going to be a really good player in the future,” he said.
But for now, he’s playing for Team Sweden. And that’s his focus. Forsberg said winning a gold medal would be “huge.”
“It would definitely be the highlight of my career so far,” Forsberg said.
Perhaps until his name gets called by an NHL team this summer.
“Obviously [playing in the] NHL is a huge dream,” he said.
But what’s his ultimate dream? Playing in the NHL, or playing in the Olympics?
“If I can, I’d want to do both.”
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 03:57 PM
Matt Dumba
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Select fewer players effortlessly exude the passion for the game on and off the ice that take those who follow the game to a whole new stratosphere in terms of enjoying the game. Mathew Dumbais one of those players – one of those players who is a rare breed when it comes to talent, production, and passion. But it cannot be defined simply as passion. Dumba’s love for the game and the pleasure he takes from playing the game is evident when you’re at the rink where he’s playing and whenever you see and hear him talking hockey.
It’s simply not something easily captured by words.
If there was a University of Hockey, then Mathew Dumba would soon be embarking on a PhD in hockey physics. The kid uses angles, momentum, positioning, powerful skating and timing to unleash highlight reel, but legal hits. He also possesses unbelievable spatial awareness and his anticipation is off the charts.
Of course, Dumba is generating all this excitement at the junior level. It seems inevitable though that he’ll be doing the same in the big league in the not so distant future.
Many “experts” consider him the highest risk/reward prospect eligible in this year’s draft class (Russian prospect notwithstanding). If a team is going to swing for the fences in this draft, selecting Matt Dumba might just be the equivalent of hitting it out of the park (or rink, as it where) in Albert Pujols style.
Dumba is an explosive dynamic defenseman with game-breaking ability. NHL team brass will like the fact that he single-handedly has the ability to put fans in the rink with his electrifying style of play and infectious personality. He always comes to play and possesses an elite level of competitiveness.
Each draft year I find myself becoming enamoured with a prospect or two. Ryan Ellis, Ryan Murphy, Jeff Skinner and Emerson Etem (who coincidentally Dumba has cited as probably the most difficult forward to play against in the Dub) are just a few of the prospects I’ve liked often much more than the majority in their respective draft year. A couple of years ago I wrote a “5 Reasons Why I Love Hockey” piece and
mentioned Dumba as a potential “Next One” when he was a 15 year old. These days many more share my enthusiasm for this extraordinary prospect.
Scout’s Honour:
“I think his athleticism is right at the top. He’s very athletic, he’s a very good skater with a lot of explosiveness, and he’s a powerful kid out there. A similar comparison to Matt would be (former Red Deer Rebel) Dion Phaneuf in that they both play with energy, they are both powerful skaters, they are very physical players and they both have the ability to make the big open-ice hits. The physical element of (Dumba’s) game is unique because the ability to deliver those hits, time them right, and know when to do it and when not to is an art form that not many guys have.”
- Red Deer Rebels’ general manager and head coach Jesse Wallin (via WHL.ca)
“Dumba possesses great skating ability, the technique needs a little adjustment, but the overall package is very solid. He gets a quick jump, and is able to generate a good top speed, particularly when skating down the wings. He really looks like a forward when driving down the wing with the puck on his stick, and has a quick and accurate release on his wrist shot. Dumba also has a solid point shot, which he is able to release fairly quickly. He moves the puck with respectable ability, and appears to choose the right times to take his shot. One of the biggest standout features about Mathew Dumba’s play is his physicality. He is a very punishing defenceman, who despite being listed at only 165lbs. Has thrown some huge hits on some bigger opponents. He is equally effective throwing hits in open ice and along the boards. However he will occasionally leave his feet, and regularly put himself out of defensive positioning in order to connect with some of these hits.
Matt Dumba
http://thehockeywrit...ospect-profile/
Select fewer players effortlessly exude the passion for the game on and off the ice that take those who follow the game to a whole new stratosphere in terms of enjoying the game. Mathew Dumbais one of those players – one of those players who is a rare breed when it comes to talent, production, and passion. But it cannot be defined simply as passion. Dumba’s love for the game and the pleasure he takes from playing the game is evident when you’re at the rink where he’s playing and whenever you see and hear him talking hockey.
It’s simply not something easily captured by words.
If there was a University of Hockey, then Mathew Dumba would soon be embarking on a PhD in hockey physics. The kid uses angles, momentum, positioning, powerful skating and timing to unleash highlight reel, but legal hits. He also possesses unbelievable spatial awareness and his anticipation is off the charts.
Of course, Dumba is generating all this excitement at the junior level. It seems inevitable though that he’ll be doing the same in the big league in the not so distant future.
Many “experts” consider him the highest risk/reward prospect eligible in this year’s draft class (Russian prospect notwithstanding). If a team is going to swing for the fences in this draft, selecting Matt Dumba might just be the equivalent of hitting it out of the park (or rink, as it where) in Albert Pujols style.
Dumba is an explosive dynamic defenseman with game-breaking ability. NHL team brass will like the fact that he single-handedly has the ability to put fans in the rink with his electrifying style of play and infectious personality. He always comes to play and possesses an elite level of competitiveness.
Each draft year I find myself becoming enamoured with a prospect or two. Ryan Ellis, Ryan Murphy, Jeff Skinner and Emerson Etem (who coincidentally Dumba has cited as probably the most difficult forward to play against in the Dub) are just a few of the prospects I’ve liked often much more than the majority in their respective draft year. A couple of years ago I wrote a “5 Reasons Why I Love Hockey” piece and
mentioned Dumba as a potential “Next One” when he was a 15 year old. These days many more share my enthusiasm for this extraordinary prospect.
Scout’s Honour:
“I think his athleticism is right at the top. He’s very athletic, he’s a very good skater with a lot of explosiveness, and he’s a powerful kid out there. A similar comparison to Matt would be (former Red Deer Rebel) Dion Phaneuf in that they both play with energy, they are both powerful skaters, they are very physical players and they both have the ability to make the big open-ice hits. The physical element of (Dumba’s) game is unique because the ability to deliver those hits, time them right, and know when to do it and when not to is an art form that not many guys have.”
- Red Deer Rebels’ general manager and head coach Jesse Wallin (via WHL.ca)
“Dumba possesses great skating ability, the technique needs a little adjustment, but the overall package is very solid. He gets a quick jump, and is able to generate a good top speed, particularly when skating down the wings. He really looks like a forward when driving down the wing with the puck on his stick, and has a quick and accurate release on his wrist shot. Dumba also has a solid point shot, which he is able to release fairly quickly. He moves the puck with respectable ability, and appears to choose the right times to take his shot. One of the biggest standout features about Mathew Dumba’s play is his physicality. He is a very punishing defenceman, who despite being listed at only 165lbs. Has thrown some huge hits on some bigger opponents. He is equally effective throwing hits in open ice and along the boards. However he will occasionally leave his feet, and regularly put himself out of defensive positioning in order to connect with some of these hits.
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 04:00 PM
Alex Galchenyuk
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Galchenyuk [Gal-chen-yuk] n. The name of a budding hockey star NHL teams could be haunted with if they choose to pass over him in the 2012 NHL Entry Draft.
Alex Galchenyuk, the first overall pick of the 2010 OHL Priority Selection Draft, was the easy choice for the Sarnia Sting after he potted 44 goals and 87 points in only 38 games playing for the Chicago Young Americans finishing the year 13 goals and 15 points ahead of the next closest player in the Mid-West Elite League. Galchenyuk was nothing but spectacular in his first OHL season as he registered 31 goals and 83 points finishing third in CHL rookie scoring behind linemate Nail Yakupov (101 points) and Sven Bartschi (85 points) who are elders of Galchenyuk’s. Alex Galchenyuk’s playing style is reminiscent of many North American players in the way that he plays a strong puck protection game. However, the American born Russian also displays European tendencies in his game that are most noticeable in his stick skills and creative one-on-one abilities.
Due to his season long knee injury, the last memory many NHL scouts have of Alex Galchenyuk playing was a “mediocre showing,” described by many, during the 2011 Ivan Hlinka Memorial Tournament this past August. Entering the tournament, expectations were high for Galchenyuk after he opted to play for Team USA instead of Russia internationally. Galchenyuk posted three goals and four points in four games and while some fans were left disappointed in his performance, TSN’s Craig Button deemed Galchenyuk “the best player for Team USA”.
I had the privilege of speaking with Sarnia-native scout Ryan Yessie of Hockey Prospect to gain another perspective on Alex Galchenyuk’s strengths and areas that he could improve in and this is what he shared,
Alex is a forward, with a big, ideal frame which projects well onto his 6’1″ size. He has very high level vision and hockey sense, and sees the ice extremely well. He has proven to be a skilled playmaker, threading passes through narrow spaces, but also has the ability to fire the puck top shelf in a hurry. He has good top speed as anyone you’ll find in the draft, however his first few steps are a concern. He saw a lot of time on the penalty kill during the second half of the 10-11 season, however 5 on 5, not just working in the defensive zone, but showing the urgency to get back in transition and not waste time in the neutral zone would be a goal for Alex once he gets back into game shape.
In a year where scouts have had limited exposure to Galchenyuk’s game, many will be eager to see if Galchenyuk can pick up where he left off last year. Yessie’s notes are certainly comparable to my own observations and shows that Galchenyuk has proven, in the past, that he plays with an impressive level of consistency.
From my article, “Alex Galchenyuk – Drafting the Unknown”,
Galchenyuk’s vision, stick wizardry and ability to operate in traffic are elite attributes and they complement his masterful playmaking skills perfectly. Alex’s sturdy frame and strong stick makes him difficult to knock off of the puck and a force to deal with in the offensive zone often resulting in more space for his linemates. Galchenyuk does not possess lightning quick feet but there are few concerns (pre-injury) with his skating as he operates with good speed and agility. Galchenyuk projects to be a playmaker first and shooter second but the young lad owns a lightning quick-release and accurate shot that keeps opponents honest.
The NHL scouting world will be watching closely as Alex Galchenyuk returns from injury as many experts are experiencing a feeling of uncertainty given that Alex’s knee injury has delayed his development. Galchenyuk could really boost his draft stock with a strong return to the ice and settle the nerves of many people after a black cloud of bad luck seemed to follow Alex Galchenyuk around for the past six months. For those who watched Galchenyuk regularly last season, number ninety-four showed Sarnia why he could be a top three forward in the 2012 NHL draft class and has the potential to develop into possibly the most effective NHL player of the entire crop.
Scout’s Honour:
“One element for Galchenyuk is the fact he played last year, and going into this season he was already recognized as one of the top prospects. I think most of the teams are pretty comfortable in knowing the type of player they’ll be getting. Obviously you’d like to see him play during his draft year, but the scouts and general managers are going to be more concerned with how the surgery went, what type of surgery it was and how the recovery process is going along”
- NHL Central Scouting’s Dan Marr
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“Galchenyuk is an offensively creative player and is very intelligent around the puck. When he puts the effort in he can really can control the pace of the game and can change the speed of the game. With his offensive side, when you are able to do that kind of stuff with the puck, you don’t get a lot of players with that potential to be dominant.”
- International Scouting Services Head Scout Ross MacLean
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“Galchenyuk has elite skills and marries it with a competitive streak that is unrivalled by his peers. In addition to his scoring exploits, as he was the highest scoring 94 in the OHL last season with 83 points in all 68 games, he is an incredibly smart-two player. He simply hates to lose and his training regime is second to none as he is very committed off ice.”
- McKeen’s Hockey’s Scouting Director David Burstyn
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“Galchenyuk is a plus puck carrier who simply knows how to create offense, and Team USA certainly built some plays around him. He has great vision as a playmaker, makes quick decisions and has pretty impressive hockey sense, although there were times when he was overdoing it too much by himself. He skates at an above-average level, has a nice frame, and works hard defensively”
- ESPN Insider’s Corey Pronman
http://thehockeywrit...ospect-profile/
Galchenyuk [Gal-chen-yuk] n. The name of a budding hockey star NHL teams could be haunted with if they choose to pass over him in the 2012 NHL Entry Draft.
Alex Galchenyuk, the first overall pick of the 2010 OHL Priority Selection Draft, was the easy choice for the Sarnia Sting after he potted 44 goals and 87 points in only 38 games playing for the Chicago Young Americans finishing the year 13 goals and 15 points ahead of the next closest player in the Mid-West Elite League. Galchenyuk was nothing but spectacular in his first OHL season as he registered 31 goals and 83 points finishing third in CHL rookie scoring behind linemate Nail Yakupov (101 points) and Sven Bartschi (85 points) who are elders of Galchenyuk’s. Alex Galchenyuk’s playing style is reminiscent of many North American players in the way that he plays a strong puck protection game. However, the American born Russian also displays European tendencies in his game that are most noticeable in his stick skills and creative one-on-one abilities.
Due to his season long knee injury, the last memory many NHL scouts have of Alex Galchenyuk playing was a “mediocre showing,” described by many, during the 2011 Ivan Hlinka Memorial Tournament this past August. Entering the tournament, expectations were high for Galchenyuk after he opted to play for Team USA instead of Russia internationally. Galchenyuk posted three goals and four points in four games and while some fans were left disappointed in his performance, TSN’s Craig Button deemed Galchenyuk “the best player for Team USA”.
I had the privilege of speaking with Sarnia-native scout Ryan Yessie of Hockey Prospect to gain another perspective on Alex Galchenyuk’s strengths and areas that he could improve in and this is what he shared,
Alex is a forward, with a big, ideal frame which projects well onto his 6’1″ size. He has very high level vision and hockey sense, and sees the ice extremely well. He has proven to be a skilled playmaker, threading passes through narrow spaces, but also has the ability to fire the puck top shelf in a hurry. He has good top speed as anyone you’ll find in the draft, however his first few steps are a concern. He saw a lot of time on the penalty kill during the second half of the 10-11 season, however 5 on 5, not just working in the defensive zone, but showing the urgency to get back in transition and not waste time in the neutral zone would be a goal for Alex once he gets back into game shape.
In a year where scouts have had limited exposure to Galchenyuk’s game, many will be eager to see if Galchenyuk can pick up where he left off last year. Yessie’s notes are certainly comparable to my own observations and shows that Galchenyuk has proven, in the past, that he plays with an impressive level of consistency.
From my article, “Alex Galchenyuk – Drafting the Unknown”,
Galchenyuk’s vision, stick wizardry and ability to operate in traffic are elite attributes and they complement his masterful playmaking skills perfectly. Alex’s sturdy frame and strong stick makes him difficult to knock off of the puck and a force to deal with in the offensive zone often resulting in more space for his linemates. Galchenyuk does not possess lightning quick feet but there are few concerns (pre-injury) with his skating as he operates with good speed and agility. Galchenyuk projects to be a playmaker first and shooter second but the young lad owns a lightning quick-release and accurate shot that keeps opponents honest.
The NHL scouting world will be watching closely as Alex Galchenyuk returns from injury as many experts are experiencing a feeling of uncertainty given that Alex’s knee injury has delayed his development. Galchenyuk could really boost his draft stock with a strong return to the ice and settle the nerves of many people after a black cloud of bad luck seemed to follow Alex Galchenyuk around for the past six months. For those who watched Galchenyuk regularly last season, number ninety-four showed Sarnia why he could be a top three forward in the 2012 NHL draft class and has the potential to develop into possibly the most effective NHL player of the entire crop.
Scout’s Honour:
“One element for Galchenyuk is the fact he played last year, and going into this season he was already recognized as one of the top prospects. I think most of the teams are pretty comfortable in knowing the type of player they’ll be getting. Obviously you’d like to see him play during his draft year, but the scouts and general managers are going to be more concerned with how the surgery went, what type of surgery it was and how the recovery process is going along”
- NHL Central Scouting’s Dan Marr
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“Galchenyuk is an offensively creative player and is very intelligent around the puck. When he puts the effort in he can really can control the pace of the game and can change the speed of the game. With his offensive side, when you are able to do that kind of stuff with the puck, you don’t get a lot of players with that potential to be dominant.”
- International Scouting Services Head Scout Ross MacLean
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“Galchenyuk has elite skills and marries it with a competitive streak that is unrivalled by his peers. In addition to his scoring exploits, as he was the highest scoring 94 in the OHL last season with 83 points in all 68 games, he is an incredibly smart-two player. He simply hates to lose and his training regime is second to none as he is very committed off ice.”
- McKeen’s Hockey’s Scouting Director David Burstyn
***
“Galchenyuk is a plus puck carrier who simply knows how to create offense, and Team USA certainly built some plays around him. He has great vision as a playmaker, makes quick decisions and has pretty impressive hockey sense, although there were times when he was overdoing it too much by himself. He skates at an above-average level, has a nice frame, and works hard defensively”
- ESPN Insider’s Corey Pronman
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I think we could use a good defencemen. We have one of the sloppiest defence in the league. How many times did we watch the other team score because the D turned over the puck or watch the D leave the other team all alone in front of our net. Othr then a couple of developing young d men our d is not very goodThey likely won't take Dumba. He's a great defenceman but what we need is a #1 center or good skilled winger. If the draft lottery turns out well and we get 5th pick it will either be Galchenyuk or Forsberg if they are still available.
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 04:06 PM
Mikhail Grigorenko
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Mikhail Grigorenko, the big, goal-scoring centre with the Quebec Remparts, might just be the most interesting player in the NHL draft this year.
Not long ago, Grigorenko was perceived as the only real challenge to Nail Yakupov for the first overall slot at this year’s NHL Entry Draft, with some describing the difference between the two as the difference between a #1 and a #1A. Unfortunately for Grigorenko, opinion has shifted notably since then; now, he isn’t even a lock for second overall as scouts have questioned his commitment and work ethic. These comments from Red Line Report‘s December bulletin are harsher than most, but typical in their complaints about his game:
That’s the sort of reputation that Grigorenko seems to be getting in some circles.
Of course, the problem with scouting reports like this one from Red Line is that they are definitively small sample size viewings. Red Line does things like bump goaltender Andrei Vasilevski from 24th overall on their draft list to fourth overallbased on a strong showing at the World Juniors. Thus, these sorts of reports need to be taken into account, but with a generous helping of salt.
I was curious, though, how Grigorenko’s scoring compares to other top picks out of the QMJHL. I’ve played around with using some simple math (based on age, relative plus/minus, and points per game) before to evaluate draft-eligible players, and found that these simple numbers are surprisingly competitive when it comes to ranking forwards out of major junior. With that in mind, I went back over the last 20 QMJHL picks that either a) got picked really early in the first-round,
turned out well despite being picked later in the first round or c) were Marc-Pouliot (this being an Oilers blog, after all).
The chart below shows the player’s name, his draft season, games played, goals scored and points recorded. “GPG” stands for the average goals per game scored by a QMJHL team in that player’s draft season. “PTS/82″ is each player’s total points over a hypothetical 82-game QMJHL season, normalized to this year’s levels (e.g. for Sidney Crosby, we take his points projected over 82 games, multiply them by 3.80, the average goals per game of a QMJHL team this year, and then divide by 3.19, the average goals per game of a QMJHL team in Crosby’s draft year). “G/82″ is the same as PTS/82, but instead applied to goals. Players are ranked by PTS/82.
The list does, I think, a decent job of splitting these players up. Sidney Crosby was an obviously dominant talent, even in his 17-year old season, and towers over everyone else on this list. It’s also easy to see why Alexandre Daigle was so highly-touted; he’s second only to Crosby in total offensive production on this list. Beyond those two, the guys on this list that went on to have careers are all grouped near the top; the total busts (with the exception of Marek Zagrapan) are all at the bottom, right underneath Simon Gagne.
Grigorenko’s position on this list is interesting – he isn’t in the upper echelons, but he is ahead of some very good NHL players, including Philadelphia’s Claude Giroux in terms of draft-year offense. Whether that will be enough to overcome his other reputed flaws remains to be seen.
This post has been edited from it’s original version. The initial post miscalculated goals-per-game in the QMJHL in 2011-12, which resulted in Grigorenko being slotted lower than he should have been. I apologize for the mistake, and thank the folks at HFBoards and @socreative on Twitter for spotting it and bringing it to my attention. JW.
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Mikhail Grigorenko, the big, goal-scoring centre with the Quebec Remparts, might just be the most interesting player in the NHL draft this year.
Not long ago, Grigorenko was perceived as the only real challenge to Nail Yakupov for the first overall slot at this year’s NHL Entry Draft, with some describing the difference between the two as the difference between a #1 and a #1A. Unfortunately for Grigorenko, opinion has shifted notably since then; now, he isn’t even a lock for second overall as scouts have questioned his commitment and work ethic. These comments from Red Line Report‘s December bulletin are harsher than most, but typical in their complaints about his game:
That’s the sort of reputation that Grigorenko seems to be getting in some circles.
Of course, the problem with scouting reports like this one from Red Line is that they are definitively small sample size viewings. Red Line does things like bump goaltender Andrei Vasilevski from 24th overall on their draft list to fourth overallbased on a strong showing at the World Juniors. Thus, these sorts of reports need to be taken into account, but with a generous helping of salt.
I was curious, though, how Grigorenko’s scoring compares to other top picks out of the QMJHL. I’ve played around with using some simple math (based on age, relative plus/minus, and points per game) before to evaluate draft-eligible players, and found that these simple numbers are surprisingly competitive when it comes to ranking forwards out of major junior. With that in mind, I went back over the last 20 QMJHL picks that either a) got picked really early in the first-round,
turned out well despite being picked later in the first round or c) were Marc-Pouliot (this being an Oilers blog, after all).The chart below shows the player’s name, his draft season, games played, goals scored and points recorded. “GPG” stands for the average goals per game scored by a QMJHL team in that player’s draft season. “PTS/82″ is each player’s total points over a hypothetical 82-game QMJHL season, normalized to this year’s levels (e.g. for Sidney Crosby, we take his points projected over 82 games, multiply them by 3.80, the average goals per game of a QMJHL team this year, and then divide by 3.19, the average goals per game of a QMJHL team in Crosby’s draft year). “G/82″ is the same as PTS/82, but instead applied to goals. Players are ranked by PTS/82.
The list does, I think, a decent job of splitting these players up. Sidney Crosby was an obviously dominant talent, even in his 17-year old season, and towers over everyone else on this list. It’s also easy to see why Alexandre Daigle was so highly-touted; he’s second only to Crosby in total offensive production on this list. Beyond those two, the guys on this list that went on to have careers are all grouped near the top; the total busts (with the exception of Marek Zagrapan) are all at the bottom, right underneath Simon Gagne.
Grigorenko’s position on this list is interesting – he isn’t in the upper echelons, but he is ahead of some very good NHL players, including Philadelphia’s Claude Giroux in terms of draft-year offense. Whether that will be enough to overcome his other reputed flaws remains to be seen.
This post has been edited from it’s original version. The initial post miscalculated goals-per-game in the QMJHL in 2011-12, which resulted in Grigorenko being slotted lower than he should have been. I apologize for the mistake, and thank the folks at HFBoards and @socreative on Twitter for spotting it and bringing it to my attention. JW.
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 04:12 PM
I think we could use a good defencemen. We have one of the sloppiest defence in the league. How many times did we watch the other team score because the D turned over the puck or watch the D leave the other team all alone in front of our net. Othr then a couple of developing young d men our d is not very good
I say if you can get Dumba you take him. He's looking solid and he would be a steal at 5th/6th.
The funny thing: He's projected to be a "Dion Phaneuf" type of player. So that kind of depends which Dion Phaneuf he becomes. He also supposedly has great character.
Galchenyuk would be a fine pick but his injuries are reason for a little concern. Grigorenko seems risky but he was challenging for the #1 overall in the past.
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 04:15 PM
I agree, our defence definately is not the best but I think Burke will try for a skilled forward or if he feels that he can trade Schenn for a #1 center than he would draft Dumba to replace Schenn.I think we could use a good defencemen. We have one of the sloppiest defence in the league. How many times did we watch the other team score because the D turned over the puck or watch the D leave the other team all alone in front of our net. Othr then a couple of developing young d men our d is not very good
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 04:19 PM
I'd take anyone of those guys but if I was sitting at 5th pick and my options were Galchenyuk, Faksa, Dumba and Forsberg..I'd take forsberg. Even though he has no relation to Peter scouts say he plays just like him.
I say if you can get Dumba you take him. He's looking solid and he would be a steal at 5th/6th.
The funny thing: He's projected to be a "Dion Phaneuf" type of player. So that kind of depends which Dion Phaneuf he becomes. He also supposedly has great character.
Galchenyuk would be a fine pick but his injuries are reason for a little concern. Grigorenko seems risky but he was challenging for the #1 overall in the past.
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