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[17mancrush]

Heard on the the radio "The FOX" in Vancouver that Lou was in T.O. getting looked over by the team doctors. Sent a chill down my spine. I hate the Idea of him here. Hope it was just radio banter. The guy reporting it was no hockey insider. Unfortunately I was unable to get the whole story but he was looking to get feed back for what and who we would need to part with for Lou's ridiculous contract and over rated play. I hope his report was just bait for phone ins for material for his show. BB is a idiot if he takes on Lou's contract. I figured if Lou was in town that would be hard to hide. Should be something on here by now?

[sluggo]

Heard on the the radio "The FOX" in Vancouver that Lou was in T.O. getting looked over by the team doctors. Sent a chill down my spine. I hate the Idea of him here. Hope it was just radio banter. The guy reporting it was no hockey insider. Unfortunately I was unable to get the whole story but he was looking to get feed back for what and who we would need to part with for Lou's ridiculous contract and over rated play. I hope his report was just bait for phone ins for material for his show. BB is a idiot if he takes on Lou's contract. I figured if Lou was in town that would be hard to hide. Should be something on here by now?

why?

[sluggo]

Where is this reported? I can't find it anywhere.

On one of the tv shows right after the Canucks got eliminated

Sometimes you just have to watch something and remember it.

[RPaj]

I highly doubt Luongo has all teams on his list, even half of that. That would make him worth a bit more, since there would be more teams bidding on him. And do you honesty think he would go to a place like CLB or EDM, which would both be bidding for his services.

The teams are already reported, and I'm sure if they did change, we would know about it. I also watch SC everyday and have not heard a single thing about this.

[sluggo]

I highly doubt Luongo has all teams on his list, even half of that. That would make him worth a bit more, since there would be more teams bidding on him. And do you honesty think he would go to a place like CLB or EDM, which would both be bidding for his services.

The teams are already reported, and I'm sure if they did change, we would know about it. I also watch SC everyday and have not heard a single thing about this.

First, how is Toronto different then those two teams? If he doesn't want to go to either of those teams he isn't coming here

Second, why wouldn't he? I'm sure he is not happy the Canucks and the fans there are basically saying "you aren't good enough". Going to a team team like the Blue Jackets, Oilers or Leafs and getting them in the playoffs and proving how good he really is.......doesn't seem unreasonable.

[howiegethere]

It amazes me how people talk out of there butt like they know something. Luongo has a club out after 4 or 5 years, he has an out as will just not sure when. So for in all practicality this is a 5 year contract at a reasonable cap hit. And it the Leafs are not good enough in that time to make a cup run god help us all. Now I am not saying the Leafs should get him but I will say I would be least concerned with the goaltending if they did.

It amazes me that you think a 10 year contract equals 4 or 5 your math is a little disfunctional .
Take into account that Louongo is on the down hill side of his career and showing signs of slipping further the Leafs will be stuck with his contract untill he decides to retire .
There is no out only Louongo's longevity as a goalie and I can assure you Lou will want to play as long as he gets paid to strap the pads on and the Leafs would have to buy him out in the end . Not a good deal at all for the leafs to take on vancouvers problem since the older this guy gets the bigger the problem becomes and the leafs would just be subsidizing Vancouvers mistakes actually Burke's mistake while he was with the Canucks .

[sluggo]

It amazes me that you think a 10 year contract equals 4 or 5 your math is a little disfunctional .
Take into account that Louongo is on the down hill side of his career and showing signs of slipping further the Leafs will be stuck with his contract untill he decides to retire .
There is no out only Louongo's longevity as a goalie and I can assure you Lou will want to play as long as he gets paid to strap the pads on and the Leafs would have to buy him out in the end . Not a good deal at all for the leafs to take on vancouvers problem since the older this guy gets the bigger the problem becomes and the leafs would just be subsidizing Vancouvers mistakes actually Burke's mistake while he was with the Canucks .

It equals 4-5 years because 1) The last 3 years of the contract are a joke. Luongo is not going to want to play 3 whole NHL seasons for 1.5 million each. 2) Its widely believed, maybe even known, that he only wants to play for another 4-5 seasons.

The downside of his career? Last year he was 1 win away from winning the cup. This year he put up elite goalie stats. He is 33 years old which is the down side for a skater but goalies generally get to their primes later and stay there longer then skaters. There is ZERO reason to believe Luongo is on the downslide and won't play at an elite level for the next 4-5 seasons.

Burke was gone when Luongo was trade for, that was Nonis.

[howiegethere]

Heard on the the radio "The FOX" in Vancouver that Lou was in T.O. getting looked over by the team doctors. Sent a chill down my spine. I hate the Idea of him here. Hope it was just radio banter. The guy reporting it was no hockey insider. Unfortunately I was unable to get the whole story but he was looking to get feed back for what and who we would need to part with for Lou's ridiculous contract and over rated play. I hope his report was just bait for phone ins for material for his show. BB is a idiot if he takes on Lou's contract. I figured if Lou was in town that would be hard to hide. Should be something on here by now?

Since Northfolk beat out the marlies for the Calder the Lightning are considering going with Dustin Tokarski in their nets next season . That would mean TO is the only team with any interest in Luongo giving Burke quite an edge on any trade negotiations . I hate news like that as it just increases the possibility Lou will wind up in blue and white if Burke can force them to take back a sizable chunk of salary .

[howiegethere]

It equals 4-5 years because 1) The last 3 years of the contract are a joke. Luongo is not going to want to play 3 whole NHL seasons for 1.5 million each. 2) Its widely believed, maybe even known, that he only wants to play for another 4-5 seasons.

The downside of his career? Last year he was 1 win away from winning the cup. This year he put up elite goalie stats. He is 33 years old which is the down side for a skater but goalies generally get to their primes later and stay there longer then skaters. There is ZERO reason to believe Luongo is on the downslide and won't play at an elite level for the next 4-5 seasons.

Burke was gone when Luongo was trade for, that was Nonis.

No that was the year before last since he has another year in the books since then . His performance has been on a down turn and Scnieder was the go to guy for Vancouver not Luongo . Elite goalies don't choke under pressure and that has always been Luongos biggest problem . You want reasons why I don't believe Lou will perform at an elite level just the fact he is outplayed by Scnieder and Vancouver is opting to dump his contract and take on salary to do it .
By the way where is Nonis now , back under Burkes wing .

[jigson]

No that was the year before last since he has another year in the books since then . His performance has been on a down turn and Scnieder was the go to guy for Vancouver not Luongo . Elite goalies don't choke under pressure and that has always been Luongos biggest problem . You want reasons why I don't believe Lou will perform at an elite level just the fact he is outplayed by Scnieder and Vancouver is opting to dump his contract and take on salary to do it .
By the way where is Nonis now , back under Burkes wing .

Problem here is, Luongo wasn't out played by Schneider. Lu had a great year for the nucks and Schneids earned a few more starts this year because of his development and his age.
It was a hinge point in Schneiders career, the team had to see more of him and make a decision on him since he had expressed the desire to be a starter either in Vancouver or somewhere else.

The media and some fans have blown out of proportion the fact that AV went with Schneids at the end of the playoffs.

Most people who follow hockey understand that there can be numerous reasons for this, and not merely assume that the backup goalie outplayed the starter.

Fact is, AV made a poor decision in playing Schneids and the Nucks went golfing.

Vancouver media and fans are guilty of watching the shiny bauble and overlooking the real gem they have in Luongo.

They will regret losing him and keeping Schneider.

If MG is wise, he will move Schneids out for a decent return that will help his team and let Luongo do his job. In a couple more years when Eddie Lack is ready, they can re-assess Luongo at that time.

[ToTheMax]

Problem here is, Luongo wasn't out played by Schneider. Lu had a great year for the nucks and Schneids earned a few more starts this year because of his development and his age.
It was a hinge point in Schneiders career, the team had to see more of him and make a decision on him since he had expressed the desire to be a starter either in Vancouver or somewhere else.

The media and some fans have blown out of proportion the fact that AV went with Schneids at the end of the playoffs.

Most people who follow hockey understand that there can be numerous reasons for this, and not merely assume that the backup goalie outplayed the starter.

Fact is, AV made a poor decision in playing Schneids and the Nucks went golfing.

Vancouver media and fans are guilty of watching the shiny bauble and overlooking the real gem they have in Luongo.

They will regret losing him and keeping Schneider.

If MG is wise, he will move Schneids out for a decent return that will help his team and let Luongo do his job. In a couple more years when Eddie Lack is ready, they can re-assess Luongo at that time.

I would take Schneider in a heart beat, hes developed well as a goalie and he can play under pressure and it would be the cheaper way to go as there isnt too many goalies on the market besides Lou that are capable of being a starter, this would give Rimes some competitive edge.
Vancouver is worried and have every reason to be, if someone picks up Schnieder, Lou has done his 5 year at the end of next season and can if wanted to move himself as to the contract if hes not happy in Vancouver, the way I look at it, Gillis has his back up against the wall, either one is going to leave, the fanbase made it known what they want meaning the best thing MG can do is move Luongo or take a chance in trading Schnieder and hoping Lou stays after the next season, too risky! Burke will get lou for next to nothing if hes going to take that route.

[DAN_TML]

its a contract deal not value taking komi and lombardi is great considering instead of two years where stuck with the guy for like 10 its the thought of alot of pain at once or delayed over a long period of time for vancouver

[RPaj]

Tampa signed Helenius, if thats how you say his name...take it for what its worth. Does it mean Tampa isn't in on Lu? who knows, but moves like this might say they aren't. Its a risky gamble by Tampa though.

[25alex56]

Tampa signed Helenius, if thats how you say his name...take it for what its worth. Does it mean Tampa isn't in on Lu? who knows, but moves like this might say they aren't. Its a risky gamble by Tampa though.

Helenius is a prospect-project goalie, kind of like Gustavsson, maybe younger?

Schnieder is a better goalie for Vancouver than Luongo is. Vancouver doesn't need a steady, veteran goalie as much as they need a guy who can be technically sound and grow into his role.

No that was the year before last since he has another year in the books since then . His performance has been on a down turn and Scnieder was the go to guy for Vancouver not Luongo . Elite goalies don't choke under pressure and that has always been Luongos biggest problem . You want reasons why I don't believe Lou will perform at an elite level just the fact he is outplayed by Scnieder and Vancouver is opting to dump his contract and take on salary to do it .
By the way where is Nonis now , back under Burkes wing .

I'm sick and bleeeepin tired of people saying Luongo chokes under pressure.

How many first round series has Luongo lost? He has a gold medal, for crying out loud. His playoff numbers are nearly identical to his regular season numbers. He has a freakin, .933 save percentage in career game 7s, and in the only game 7 he lost, his team was shut out. In the last three seasons, the team that has beaten Vancouver won the cup.

How do you equate that to choking?

[Zizzzzy]

I'm sick and bleeeepin tired of people saying Luongo chokes under pressure.

How many first round series has Luongo lost? He has a gold medal, for crying out loud. His playoff numbers are nearly identical to his regular season numbers. He has a freakin, .933 save percentage in career game 7s, and in the only game 7 he lost, his team was shut out. In the last three seasons, the team that has beaten Vancouver won the cup.

How do you equate that to choking?

Epic rant! Thanks for this! Funny how as soon as there is a trade rumor everybody is an expert critic on the player like they've been following them for years....

[J-BOLD]

Lindback traded to Tampa.

And the market for Luongo shrinks. Meaning his trade value shrinks.

[MPL_Phaneuf89]

^^^^^
It's looking more and more like we have to get Luongo or take our chances on Reimer, Scrivens, Harding (personally think he's philly bound). Or go nuts and overpay for Bernier, but if Tampa couldn't strike a deal for him with all their picks, they must want a lot. Also I guess we could try and get Bobrovsky...

I wouldn't say the market shrinked though, Yzerman fully stated he wanted a young goalie

[jigson]

Epic rant! Thanks for this! Funny how as soon as there is a trade rumor everybody is an expert critic on the player like they've been following them for years....

I'm actually on the fence with Luongo coming to the leafs. I like the skill he would bring but I (like most) am a bit leery of the contract.

In the last few weeks since the rumours began to fly, I have moved closer to the "get Luongo" side of the debate, but unfortunately I (just like all fans) don't have all the facts, so I'll just have to be patient and wait and see what happens.

I can say this though.

I live in Vancouver and my wife and son are both huge Nucks fans and I watch a ton of Nucks games and have for many years.

I did not see Schneider outplay Luongo this year, or any other year. It's just time for Schneider to get his chance. He knows it and has asked for it, and the Nucks know it, and the fans know it.

For people to make statements like Luongo was outplayed and lost his job or that he is a choker is just hating and complete nonsense.
The guy is a game changer pure and simple and would instantly make the leafs a much better team. The confidence he would instill in the team with them knowing a world class goalie is in net would pay immediate dividends, aside from the actual talent the guy has.

Before Nonis made the deal to bring Luongo to Vancouver, the Nucks were struggling with the same challenges the leafs are right now. They were a middle of the road team with some good players who still needed to develop and their goaltending was the weak link that was holding them back from taking the next step.

Cloutier letting in 100' wrist shots at critical points of the game, remind you of anyone ?
Auld, Noronen, Oullet,,,, etc... dismal until Luongo got there.

Nonis identified the problem and paid the price required to get Luongo in Vancouver.

Since that trade, the Canucks have steadily charged up the standings to become an elite team in the league, winning president's cups, and going to a game 7 in the finals.

This is exactly what the leafs fans are demanding Burke/Nonis do in Toronto, the opportunity is knocking on the door.

[25alex56]

Jig nailed it. Difference is Luongo's age, obviously, but nobody makes a trade like Nonis did unless there's significant interest in that asset (Keenan wanted Bertuzzi)

[CrippledCanuck]

The thing that everyone is avoiding in the luongo situation is as follows

1. His age yes he is 33 and contract goes til 43, in the media it has been reported by several people ie bobm, dreger, Dcox that the likelyhood of luo playing out the last 3 years of his contract are pretty slim, from a contract point of view he has no motivation to do so since he is getting paid 1.6mil x 1 yr and 1mil per year x 2 years.

2. His request a trade clause in the 5th year goes away once he leaves the canucks.

3. Pretty much a guaranteed playoff spot and with the playoffs the organization cashes in on playoff tickets (big incentive for the organization)

4. Gillis was on Team 1040 yesterday and said outright he still has not talked to Luongo about trade stuff since the exit interview when luong stated "he would accept a trade if the organization asked him."

5. So far 2 players on our team will have lower pay than the year before ie salary reduction arbitration with M Raymond and Volpatti willingly took a paycut to stay yesterday, its almost common knowledge certain players wont be returning so we will have even more capspace to sign players we want to keep on ie.

6. Logistically/Financially we can keep both goalies as stated by gmmg and give an even greater balance of games to Schneider so we have basically a 1a and 1b goalie situation

7. Although with luongos caphit we will have to take something back but the sentiment that luongo is going to go anywhere for another teams scraps ie players with just as bad contracts as luongo and who wont make our lineup is completely team related bias, why would gillis as he stated trade a player he dosent have to trade away to make another team better and whichever team he goes to gets an instant impact player for nothing, dosent make sense.

8. Even if part of the fanbase (and some nuck fans are bipolar in personality) are calling for Luongo to be replaced, the fanbase dosent run the business gmmg and aquilini does and they wont make rash decisions based on the fans, if it dosent make sense for both sides it wont happen regardless of the teams interested or not.

9 As much as people saying Lindback going to tampa weakens nucks bargaining power it goes both ways it hurts any team who wants a goalie because of a smaller pool and potentially hurts the nucks power because one less team needs a goalie but it was stated a long time ago tampa never was interested in Luongo and as stated above luongo dosent need to be traded, hence no bargaining power lost. Yes he could request a trade in his 5th year but if the teams on his list dont want him or the nucks cant get a deal for him he is still screwed, he can either make the list longer or ride the pine or go to the nucks affiliate and if that is the case his cap is off the books. Even if and I dont believe he would be is eligible to be grabbed on waivers going down, by popular opinion we would get nothing of value in a trade, would we really lose out then if he was grabbed on waivers, probably not because we just freed up capspace to sign someone else and probably would not need a goaltender as we have 3 waiting to come up that have proven they are almost ready ie lack, cannata, climie and honzik.

10. In the case of toronto Burke needs a #1 goalie this season and needs to make the playoffs some have speculated his job depends on it this year, the goalie pool is shrinking, and Gillis dosent need to trade either Schneider or Luongo

While I agree nucks are not going to get anything to write home about in exchange for Lu they are still not going to just get another teams rejects, scraps etc