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[Kadrix43]

Now this is just me having fun saying what i would do...

Trades:

To SJS:
Macarthur
2012 2nd round pick

To Tor:
Ryane Clowe


To PHI:
2012 1st round pick
Franson
Colborne

To Tor:
Rinaldo
Schenn


I know giving up that pick would hurt... Believe me i really really like Dumba and Galchenyuk and i want the pick, and this is one of the only guys in the NHL i would give it up for... Brayden Schenn, reunite the Schenn bros gives us a talented young gritty two way center to rock the TLC role in T.O for a long time...This could also get Luke going..


To teams needing to reach cap floor:
Connolly and Lombardi (i realize its unrealistic to be able to move Armstrong and Komi too.)


Free agent signings:
Chris Kelly 2 years 3 mil
Josh Harding 2 years 2 mil



That gives us this team:

Lupul-Schenn-Kessel
Clowe-Grabovski-Kadri
Kulemin-Kelly-Rinaldo
Brown-Steckel-Orr/Rosehill
Frattin

Phaneuf-Gunner
Gardiner-Schenn
Liles-Komi
Holzer

Reimer-Harding

That gives us a solid top 2 lines with talent and not bad defensive lines and a real solid shutdown line for Carlyle to run against oppositions top lines... And a pretty solid defense too in my opinion... Liles should have a good year and Komisarek and Schenn could get going too... you also got Percy and Blacker in the minors... I think those goalies should be able to pull the work load pretty well too...This should be a playoff team and if not we still have tons of sick prospects coming up... Ross Mckegg Ashton Biggs etc...

[Kadrix43]

that gives our top six two power forward types... Kadri and Lupul can shake it up too... Thats a pretty tough team and when our gritty prospects are ready we will have a pretty rough team.

[Topleft11]

• I like Schenn but I dont know about #1center. I dont know if that team gets us in the playoffs. Clowes nice but at least mccarthur can put the puck in the net. Burke will do something strong because he has to or start worryig about his job, dont know if thats strong enough. I dont think anybody knows who Burkes going to try and pick up.

[MPL_Phaneuf89]

Schenn couldn't even handle playing 2nd line Centre for the Flyers, so I don't think hes even close to being ready to be a #1 centre nor should he be forced to play it at this point.

Ryane Clowe I would definitley want, I don't see why San Jose would trade him personally, but they appear willing to maybe. Chris Kelly is a great 3rd line Centre, but I don't see him hitting UFA status, but if he did, I would certainly would want him but he won't settle for 1.5 mil a year for 2 years (unless you meant 2 year 6 million). I think Bozie could do the job as 3rd line centre though, hes not 'that' bad, hes just not a 1st line Centre which we forced him into.

[glenleafsfan]

Trade away the fifth overall pick, a decent prospect and a decent defence man for a unproven centre????? really?

[MintoMadDogsKiller18]

Overpayment for Rinaldo and Schenn. Also Rinaldo has not proven himself to be a 3rd line forward yet...and Schenn has not proven himself to be a 1st line center yet...

[Topleft11]

I could see, or like to see Simmonds( nice scarborough boy) and Vans reimsdyk for Luke Schenn and deep pick or one of colburne or Kadri. Might not be enough for philly though. That would partially take care of our grit problem. Getzlaf,Simmonds, Vans reimdyk would solve all our problems(dont know if thats humanly possible) probobly dreaming

[youngbud]

JVR is a strong possibility. I know apparently the flyes are interested in luke schenn, they want guys that can hit and play tough.
I just want all our guys healthy and in perfect shape to start the season next year. Tip top condition no slackers or floaters THAT would be ideal.

To get JVR we will probably have to give up: Schenn, Bozak, Colborne. That should be enough for one guy.
Then we have to figure out how to acquire nash, and make a pitch for vokoun, it can be done, it's just going to take a lot of careful wheeling and dealing.

[BillofTheHill]

An outside opinion on what I would do. Mind you I have a different perspective on what player's values are, so don't get too worked up if I'm not entirely accurate on what you think:

Draft Priority order for 5th:

1. Galyenchuk
2. Forsberg
3. Murray
4. Teravainen
5. Reinhart

Snag Vasilevski with 2nd round pick

Re-sign:

Matt Frattin, 2years, $2.500m ($1.25m cap hit)
Nikolai Kulemin, 1year $1.000m ($1m cap hit)

Free Agents:

Martin Biron, 2years $2.200m ($1.1m cap hit)
Mike Lundin, 1year $0.900m ($0.9m cap hit)

Trade:

To Dallas:

Cody Franson
David Broll
2013 3rd round pick

To Toronto:
Trevor Daley
Conditional 2013 6th round pick (Would be transfered to Toronto if they miss the playoffs)

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To San Jose:

Tim Connolly
Carl Gunnarsson
Jussi Rynnas

To Toronto:

Ryane Clowe
Jason Demers
2013 2nd round pick

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To St. Louis:

Mike Komisarek

To Toronto:

Tyler Shattock
2013 4th round pick

2012-13 Line-up:

FORWARDS

Joffrey Lupul ($4.250m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($5.500m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m)
Clarke MacArthur ($3.250m) / Matthew Lombardi ($3.500m) / Ryane Clowe ($3.625m)
Nikolai Kulemin ($1.000m) / Tyler Bozak ($1.500m) / Nazem Kadri ($1.720m)
Matt Frattin ($1.250m) / David Steckel ($1.100m) / Colby Armstrong ($3.000m)
Mike Brown ($0.737m) /

DEFENSEMEN

John-Michael Liles ($3.875m) / Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m)
Jake Gardiner ($1.117m) / Trevor Daley ($3.300m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Jason Demers ($1.250m)
Mike Lundin ($0.900m) /

GOALTENDERS

James Reimer ($1.800m)
Martin Biron ($1.100m)

BUYOUTS

Darcy Tucker ($1.000m)

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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,273,333; BONUSES: $1,062,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,026,667

[Topleft11]

JVR is a strong possibility. I know apparently the flyes are interested in luke schenn, they want guys that can hit and play tough. I just want all our guys healthy and in perfect shape to start the season next year. Tip top condition no slackers or floaters THAT would be ideal. To get JVR we will probably have to give up: Schenn, Bozak, Colborne. That should be enough for one guy. Then we have to figure out how to acquire nash, and make a pitch for vokoun, it can be done, it's just going to take a lot of careful wheeling and dealing.

Yea Jvr and Nash would definitely change the dynamic of this team, but I dont know if BB has the gahonas to trade the picks and players that it would take to make that happen. The moves would involve Gardiner, Schenn and a coiuple other good prospects. He will definitely bring in size but weather the players will be top shelf calibre I dont know. Lets hope its something of signifigance. (Getzlaf please sir).

[youngbud]

We dont have to give up gardiner if we dont want to. I see what you mean though. A deal probably will fall apart because they'll want a guy of course that we dont want to part with, isn't that always the way? You have to give up to get? Why do the leafs always have to overpay everyone to make a trade no one else has to get jerked around like that....weird eh?

[Euronuck]

We dont have to give up gardiner if we dont want to. I see what you mean though. A deal probably will fall apart because they'll want a guy of course that we dont want to part with, isn't that always the way? You have to give up to get? Why do the leafs always have to overpay everyone to make a trade no one else has to get jerked around like that....weird eh?

I think sometimes it's the lingering stench of Ballard on this team. I mean he gave away great players for nothing.

[Rollntroll]

I think sometimes it's the lingering stench of Ballard on this team. I mean he gave away great players for nothing.

Ballard? You must have meant Yolanda! Thats hilarious.

[howiegethere]

JVR is a strong possibility. I know apparently the flyes are interested in luke schenn, they want guys that can hit and play tough.
I just want all our guys healthy and in perfect shape to start the season next year. Tip top condition no slackers or floaters THAT would be ideal.

To get JVR we will probably have to give up: Schenn, Bozak, Colborne. That should be enough for one guy.
Then we have to figure out how to acquire nash, and make a pitch for vokoun, it can be done, it's just going to take a lot of careful wheeling and dealing.

Right your kidding getting JVR will cure the Leafs toughness problems . JVR is a glassman like Connolly we need to dump guys like him not guys who can hit and play tough .

[howiegethere]

An outside opinion on what I would do. Mind you I have a different perspective on what player's values are, so don't get too worked up if I'm not entirely accurate on what you think:

Draft Priority order for 5th:

1. Galyenchuk
2. Forsberg
3. Murray
4. Teravainen
5. Reinhart

Snag Vasilevski with 2nd round pick

Re-sign:

Matt Frattin, 2years, $2.500m ($1.25m cap hit)
Nikolai Kulemin, 1year $1.000m ($1m cap hit)

Free Agents:

Martin Biron, 2years $2.200m ($1.1m cap hit)
Mike Lundin, 1year $0.900m ($0.9m cap hit)

Trade:

To Dallas:

Cody Franson
David Broll
2013 3rd round pick

To Toronto:
Trevor Daley
Conditional 2013 6th round pick (Would be transfered to Toronto if they miss the playoffs)

----------------------------

To San Jose:

Tim Connolly
Carl Gunnarsson
Jussi Rynnas

To Toronto:

Ryane Clowe
Jason Demers
2013 2nd round pick

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To St. Louis:

Mike Komisarek

To Toronto:

Tyler Shattock
2013 4th round pick

2012-13 Line-up:

FORWARDS

Joffrey Lupul ($4.250m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($5.500m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m)
Clarke MacArthur ($3.250m) / Matthew Lombardi ($3.500m) / Ryane Clowe ($3.625m)
Nikolai Kulemin ($1.000m) / Tyler Bozak ($1.500m) / Nazem Kadri ($1.720m)
Matt Frattin ($1.250m) / David Steckel ($1.100m) / Colby Armstrong ($3.000m)
Mike Brown ($0.737m) /

DEFENSEMEN

John-Michael Liles ($3.875m) / Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m)
Jake Gardiner ($1.117m) / Trevor Daley ($3.300m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Jason Demers ($1.250m)
Mike Lundin ($0.900m) /

GOALTENDERS

James Reimer ($1.800m)
Martin Biron ($1.100m)

BUYOUTS

Darcy Tucker ($1.000m)

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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,273,333; BONUSES: $1,062,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,026,667

Just four problems with this .
1) Grabovski is not a 1st line center
2) Lombardi is not a 2nd line center
3) The team doesn't get one bit tougher
4) It doesn't address the lack of leadership

[BillofTheHill]

Just four problems with this .
1) Grabovski is not a 1st line center
2) Lombardi is not a 2nd line center
3) The team doesn't get one bit tougher
4) It doesn't address the lack of leadership

My replys:

1) Grabo is an improvement on Connolly, and the best the Leafs could REALISTICALLY get
2) Lombardi has the talent to be a 2nd line center, he just hasn't really done that yet in Toronto. If he can't fufill his promise, Kadri could step in
3) Clowe, Daley are improvements in the toughness category, although not enormous

[jamason]

Grabs can be a first-line center, but not with Kessel - those two have tried playing together, and it just doesn't work. One or the other has to be second line. So either Kessel becomes second line, or Lombardi becomes first line. wtf!

Not sure that's enough to either Dallas or SJ.

Phaneuf and Liles don't work together. Phaneuf needs a solid defensive partner. Gunnarsson is the main reason his stats were better this year.

If we're giving up Gus, then I think we should hold onto our minor league goalies, and hope one of then can turn into a good NHL'er. Too often have we given away a goalie too soon - I don't want to do it with two in the same off season.

[DAN_TML]

JVR is a strong possibility. I know apparently the flyes are interested in luke schenn, they want guys that can hit and play tough.
I just want all our guys healthy and in perfect shape to start the season next year. Tip top condition no slackers or floaters THAT would be ideal.

To get JVR we will probably have to give up: Schenn, Bozak, Colborne. That should be enough for one guy.
Then we have to figure out how to acquire nash, and make a pitch for vokoun, it can be done, it's just going to take a lot of careful wheeling and dealing.

so they said straight up trade schenn for JVR and you want to give another 2 great players for what fun?

[youngbud]

No I said that because that is a more REALISTIC trade knowing the leafs. When have any of our trades, in the last 40 years, ever been one guy for one guy? They want luke schenn in a deal for JVR that does not mean that that is the ONLY guy they want us to give up. If a player is good of course they want more than one guy. If we give them the 3 guys I mentioned they can give us JVR and probably a very decent draft pick or prospect. What's wrong with that? So we get JVR and philly's first rounder, or a very very good philly prospect on the farm.

[DAN_TML]

schenn better than JVR
bozak plays more min than JVR plus he can be used on penalty kill
colborne dont mind much for but he could be decent 3rd liner in couple years
plus none of these players need surgery ps surgery even after screws with your skill in next couple years
JVR not worth it and say at full potential he hits 48 points, bozaks put that up this year and probably just keep getting better (not saying JVR isnt better but they each have advantages over the other) especially under caryle who wont change the line up every game, like how were they suppose to develop chemistry after moving up and down the line up, detroit made the playoffs the last 10 year those player have been together at one point or another for over 4-6 years which they build chemistry same with san jose lines...our team can barely hold the same line up for a week