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#1 25alex56

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 01:45 AM

When threads that people are discussing things in are closed, for whatever reason, could the mod in question closing the thread please refer to what section of the rules the thread is violating, as opposed to just saying "This is pathetic" and closing it?

Perhaps providing a link to the rules as well would be helpful and informative.

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Its rediculous how much bulling is going on from the "anti-stats" people. People are perfectly fine to disagree about reasons for liking players. Liking stats or disagreeing with ONE coaching decision doesn't make a poster stupid or mean he has a low hockey IQ or no common sense. And if you have to insult someone to try to make your point then I don't think you have a very good one." El-zilcho, who clearly must be someone else in disguise.


#2 slacknasty

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 02:25 AM

Agreed.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 10:17 AM

Thirded. I'm usually a big supporter of the job done by mods but they shouldn't close threads because of personal disagreement with viewpoints.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 01:31 PM

nothing says "LOOK AT ME I AM IMPORTANT I AM MODERATOR" than when they write a closing comment then lock the thread and leave it there for all to see....

At least leave the thread open and delete the offending comments, then the rest can continue a conversation/debate

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 02:12 PM

Thread are getting closed due to constant fighting. We're done with the babysitting and having to delete 3 pages of the offending posts. If people can't debate a topic without insults then it's getting closed, end of story. If you guys don't like it, then start reporting the people that are ruining the thread so we can ban them before it gets out of hand and have to close the thread.

#6 Russell_23

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 02:21 PM

B .. I think what ppl are asking for is to have the Thread remain open and the offenders dealt with.... to delete "3 Pages" really is just a few mouse clicks... I reall do not see the need to "report" people either... if the Mod's are seeing enough to close a thread then they have seen enough to ban the offenders on their own...

#7 CapnJack

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 02:22 PM

BG I respect you guys, and I know you put up with allot from us me definitely. But telling the inmates
to tatal tale on eachother? I'm just suggesting that is not the best solution. I would never teach
my children to tatal tale on one another, but if I caught them messing up I sure would address
like Eukradios has done to me persoally.

#8 beergirl-1

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 04:01 PM

I understand what you guys are saying but I think you're missing the point of every mod is a volunteer and has summer plans and families to attend to also. We can't be on here 24/7 and shouldn't have to be. Deleting 3 pages of fighting takes more than a few mouse clicks, but that's besides the point. Why should we have to do even one? People know the forum rules and even if they don't, they are posted for people to read so there's still no excuse.

I know there is a lot of discontent in Leaf land, understandable. However the way some people are posting, is doing nothing but destroying the board. Mods are becoming very frustrated in trying to keep the peace when others are hell bent on doing the opposite. If others don't want to help in keeping the peace, then that's your choice, but don't complain when someone feels the need to shut something down because they don't want to babysit the thread.

#9 Russell_23

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 04:10 PM

.. I think we are getting your point B/G, and I am sure we all understand that you are voulnteers we get that, we are not even complaining about if disipline has to be executed we are simply asking why should those who are not part of the problem also be punished, we are not voulneteer moderators we are not in any position to "keep the peace", and really the only proper way those if us who are not Mods can keep peace is by simply not engaging....

again we are not complaining about the what it's the how... all anyone is asking is discuss amungst yourselves (the Mod's) how it can be done without punishing those who were not a part.... maybe this... if you have to close a Thread because of inappropriate conduct, it is an automatic suspension to those that caused it.... create an "Ultra Mod" call him SHANNY...

anyone else have any other ideas... maybe if we come up with a solution to help the Mod's they might consider it...

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 04:42 PM

.. I think we are getting your point B/G, and I am sure we all understand that you are voulnteers we get that, we are not even complaining about if disipline has to be executed we are simply asking why should those who are not part of the problem also be punished


We do try our best to keep threads clean so that we don't have to close them, but like beergirl said, we're volunteers and we've all got lives apart from the board that sometimes keep us busy. If I've got ten minutes to deal with a problem before dashing out to work, chances are I'm going to be using an axe rather than a scalpel. I'm sorry that sometimes good conversations are a casualty, but it is what it is.

EDIT: It is especially frustrating to come home from a nice day out with friends to find a thread that seemed innocuous enough in the morning had blossomed into a 5-page, writhing hydra of bickering and name-calling. Those tend to get *facepalm*-closed.

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#11 Russell_23

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 04:54 PM

^ well I do get that and unfortunatly that is exactly the kind of thing that will cause ppl who do not wish to be part of the stupidty to leave these boards and all that will be left are the problem makers... it is a sorry state of what you have to deal with and your frustrations are certinaly understandable.... it can be ok for ppl to agree to disagree (you and I have actually recently) but do not have to escalate it to something resembling 10 yr olds....

So here is a question... say for example after you close a thread for this reason and someone decides to start another of the same subject... you going to close it too????

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 04:58 PM

So here is a question... say for example after you close a thread for this reason and someone decides to start another of the same subject... you going to close it too????


Nope. It stays hockey related and the name-calling doesn't start again, it stays open.

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#13 Russell_23

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 05:13 PM

^ That as fair as one can ask.....

#14 slacknasty

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 06:20 PM

Hoping for conformation from a bunch of people using aliases... Not going to happen

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 06:06 PM

Thirded. I'm usually a big supporter of the job done by mods but they shouldn't close threads because of personal disagreement with viewpoints.

I've never closed a thread because I disagreed with a view point.

It was closed because it violated forum rules and it had gone from a respectful discussion to a despicable mudslinging competition that needed to be thrown out with the trash.

Simple?
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 11:49 PM

There are a few who feel that they have to bead the board to their agenda, harass new comers, hijack threads. I'm not naming names they all know who they are and we are tired of their childish behavior. Some of you have good points and we understand your frustration but every attempt we have made in dealing with them normally has failed to get their attention. So you are right from now on if these select few break the rules. Ban for good, end, nata would that be exceptable to everyone here to get control of your board back? We would really really like to have fun ourselves here by the time hockey starts again and not have to work our butts off cleaning up all the toilets. Yeah I'm blunt but what do you expect from an ugly little monkey? (please refer to avatar)

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:19 AM

There are a few who feel that they have to bead the board to their agenda, harass new comers, hijack threads. I'm not naming names they all know who they are and we are tired of their childish behavior. Some of you have good points and we understand your frustration but every attempt we have made in dealing with them normally has failed to get their attention. So you are right from now on if these select few break the rules. Ban for good, end, nata would that be exceptable to everyone here to get control of your board back? We would really really like to have fun ourselves here by the time hockey starts again and not have to work our butts off cleaning up all the toilets. Yeah I'm blunt but what do you expect from an ugly little monkey? (please refer to avatar)



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Posted 18 July 2012 - 02:45 AM

Hoping for conformation from a bunch of people using aliases... Not going to happen

I use my real (given name)

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 02:48 AM

.. I think we are getting your point B/G, and I am sure we all understand that you are voulnteers we get that, we are not even complaining about if disipline has to be executed we are simply asking why should those who are not part of the problem also be punished, we are not voulneteer moderators we are not in any position to "keep the peace", and really the only proper way those if us who are not Mods can keep peace is by simply not engaging....

again we are not complaining about the what it's the how... all anyone is asking is discuss amungst yourselves (the Mod's) how it can be done without punishing those who were not a part.... maybe this... if you have to close a Thread because of inappropriate conduct, it is an automatic suspension to those that caused it.... create an "Ultra Mod" call him SHANNY...

anyone else have any other ideas... maybe if we come up with a solution to help the Mod's they might consider it...

Like Quebec/Canada ....separate lol..
One side of the room.....anti....Burke/Kessel
Other side of the room....pro...Burke/Kessel
Almost blew that one
a 3rd room people sitting on the fence.

#20 25alex56

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 06:48 AM

I've never closed a thread because I disagreed with a view point.

It was closed because it violated forum rules and it had gone from a respectful discussion to a despicable mudslinging competition that needed to be thrown out with the trash.

Simple?


There are a few who feel that they have to bead the board to their agenda, harass new comers, hijack threads. I'm not naming names they all know who they are and we are tired of their childish behavior. Some of you have good points and we understand your frustration but every attempt we have made in dealing with them normally has failed to get their attention. So you are right from now on if these select few break the rules. Ban for good, end, nata would that be exceptable to everyone here to get control of your board back? We would really really like to have fun ourselves here by the time hockey starts again and not have to work our butts off cleaning up all the toilets. Yeah I'm blunt but what do you expect from an ugly little monkey? (please refer to avatar)

I'm not asking for the reasons why you guys close threads. This is your job, you do it. I'm not here to question your judgement when it comes to threads.

However, I don't participate in discussions to incense people, so it's very discouraging to me when the discussion I'm trying to have is being labelled as "pathetic" by a moderator on this forum, and thus deleted. Yes, there IS a difference between "The language on here is getting too toxic, I'm closing down this thread" and "Well looks like the heat got to you guys, this thread is pathetic, closed."

I don't frequent bars often, but I don't believe bouncers trash talk patrons while they escort them out of the establishment.




We do try our best to keep threads clean so that we don't have to close them, but like beergirl said, we're volunteers and we've all got lives apart from the board that sometimes keep us busy. If I've got ten minutes to deal with a problem before dashing out to work, chances are I'm going to be using an axe rather than a scalpel. I'm sorry that sometimes good conversations are a casualty, but it is what it is.

EDIT: It is especially frustrating to come home from a nice day out with friends to find a thread that seemed innocuous enough in the morning had blossomed into a 5-page, writhing hydra of bickering and name-calling. Those tend to get *facepalm*-closed.

~E~


Yeah, I can understand that. I just feel like that it would take less effort to copypaste a rule out of the rules or just say "Hey this thread violated rule X hence it's closed."

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"What the hell is going on with this forum lately. I don't even care about fancy stats but I still like Grabo and all the heart he showed as a Leaf.

 

Its rediculous how much bulling is going on from the "anti-stats" people. People are perfectly fine to disagree about reasons for liking players. Liking stats or disagreeing with ONE coaching decision doesn't make a poster stupid or mean he has a low hockey IQ or no common sense. And if you have to insult someone to try to make your point then I don't think you have a very good one." El-zilcho, who clearly must be someone else in disguise.







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