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[ConnorFutureGM]

The Leafs players to build off of from this roster were Grabovski, Kulemin and Schenn.

Lets presume Burke would not part with those players. He would also not sign any big UFAs nor trade for any big payroll players. What he would do is put young players in a position to succeed in Leaf land and would acquire more prospects and picks.

Players likely traded for picks/prospects - Hagman, Blake, Ponikarovsky, Kubina and Kaberle since they were all past their prime but were still contributors point wise.

The Leafs could have got a variety of assets from those players but for simplicity sake, lets say they received an additional two 1st rounders and two 2nd rounders in the next two drafts (2010, 2011).

With this proposed roster the Leafs would have been closer to the bottom the last couple of years but would have sill retained their picks.

2010 NHL draft: One of Hall or Seguin another 1st rounder in the 15th to 30th range. There are a lot of good prospects in that range (Forobrt, Tarasenko, Hishon, Watson, Bjugstad, Bennett, Sheahan, Tinordi, Pysyk, Hayes, Howden, Kuznetsov, Visentin, Coyle, Etem, Nelson). Add two 2nd rounders.

2011 NHL draft: One of RNH, Landeskog, Larsson, Huderbeau or Strome and another later 1st rounder and another 2nd rounder.

In the 2013 draft maybe Yakupov if Rielly wasn't really the best pick according to Burke.

The Leafs would have something like Seguin, Landeskog, Knight and Bjugstad to build with Biggs, Schenn and Kadri.

Burke's wrong assesment of the Leafs at the end of the 2008-09 season was at the cost of a promising future.

[Drennan57]

The Leafs players to build off of from this roster were Grabovski, Kulemin and Schenn.

Lets presume Burke would not part with those players. He would also not sign any big UFAs nor trade for any big payroll players. What he would do is put young players in a position to succeed in Leaf land and would acquire more prospects and picks.

Players likely traded for picks/prospects - Hagman, Blake, Ponikarovsky, Kubina and Kaberle since they were all past their prime but were still contributors point wise.

The Leafs could have got a variety of assets from those players but for simplicity sake, lets say they received an additional two 1st rounders and two 2nd rounders in the next two drafts (2010, 2011).

With this proposed roster the Leafs would have been closer to the bottom the last couple of years but would have sill retained their picks.

2010 NHL draft: One of Hall or Seguin another 1st rounder in the 15th to 30th range. There are a lot of good prospects in that range (Forobrt, Tarasenko, Hishon, Watson, Bjugstad, Bennett, Sheahan, Tinordi, Pysyk, Hayes, Howden, Kuznetsov, Visentin, Coyle, Etem, Nelson). Add two 2nd rounders.

2011 NHL draft: One of RNH, Landeskog, Larsson, Huderbeau or Strome and another later 1st rounder and another 2nd rounder.

In the 2013 draft maybe Yakupov if Rielly wasn't really the best pick according to Burke.

The Leafs would have something like Seguin, Landeskog, Knight and Bjugstad to build with Biggs, Schenn and Kadri.

Burke's wrong assesment of the Leafs at the end of the 2008-09 season was at the cost of a promising future.

Yeah i sing this tune on a regular bases . Nothing be can do now tho.

[ConnorFutureGM]

Yeah i sing this tune on a regular bases . Nothing be can do now tho.

How about firing Burke.

[Drennan57]

How about firing Burke.

I think it's passed that point now.

Burke is a finisher GM, He's the guy you bring in after a rebuild too fill in the blanks and put a team over the top. If the leafs had been stock piling core pieces before he got here then he would've been the perfect guy for the job. Problem was this team had no core pieces when he took over and he didn't change his blue print accordingly which ended up destroying the teams present and future.

Burke tried to copy and paste the Anahiem blue print, The major difference he failed to realize is that the team he took over was in a completely different stage of development. Anaheim had already drafted most of their core so Burkes style fit that situation.

We needed a Tambelinni in the beginning who is content with being bad for awhile so that the team would be much better in the future. Burke is the guy who would take over in Edmonton now and build that team into a contender.

Burkes a good GM he was just the wrong GM at the time.

[ConnorFutureGM]

I think it's passed that point now.

Burke is a finisher GM, He's the guy you bring in after a rebuild too fill in the blanks and put a team over the top. If the leafs had been stock piling core pieces before he got here then he would've been the perfect guy for the job. Problem was this team had no core pieces when he took over and he didn't change his blue print accordingly which ended up destroying the teams present and future.

Burke tried to copy and paste the Anahiem blue print, The major difference he failed to realize is that the team he took over was in a completely different stage of development. Anaheim had already drafted most of their core so Burkes style fit that situation.

We needed a Tambelinni in the beginning who is content with being bad for awhile so that the team would be much better in the future. Burke is the guy who would take over in Edmonton now and build that team into a contender.

Burkes a good GM he was just the wrong GM at the time.

But then what's Burke's more now? Does he still strive for the playoffs or rebuild?

[IrishLeaffan]

I was saying (when Burke first made the trade) that Burke should never have given away two firsts and a second for Kessel because Kessel is not the type of player that you build a team around.
When I first started posting about this people said Burke knows a lot more than a fan. Then people started saying just wait and now people just stop talking about it. Burke fans will never admit he made a mess.

[H-B-C-Y-G]

But then what's Burke's more now? Does he still strive for the playoffs or rebuild?

Sit and wait to see what the Lock-out does...

[Drennan57]

But then what's Burke's more now? Does he still strive for the playoffs or rebuild?

He has no choice but to go for the playoffs.

[ConnorFutureGM]

We also could have

Sit and wait to see what the Lock-out does...

Burke will probably have to make some moves to get under the cap. After that he will have three choices: go forward building around this core which looks unlikely to be of contender calibur, rebuild the current core or rebuild while being competitive on the fly. I think he chooses the last one which is the hardest to accomplish.

He has no choice but to go for the playoffs.

I think he could still sell a rebuild to the Leafs new ownership.

[Drennan57]

Burke will probably have to make some moves to get under the cap. After that he will have three choices: go forward building around this core which looks unlikely to be of contender calibur, rebuild the current core or rebuild while being competitive on the fly. I think he chooses the last one which is the hardest to accomplish.


I think he could still sell a rebuild to the Leafs new ownership.

Not with him in charge. Burke isn't here to sit through a rebuild i thought he proved that already.

[ConnorFutureGM]

Not with him in charge. Burke isn't here to sit through a rebuild i thought he proved that already.

It depends if his pride is bigger than doing what he feels is right.

I haven't heard any hockey analyst project the Leafs as contenders in the future. The Leafs will need to add several big pieces for them to become contenders and Burke must know this.

[jockdent]

Think of this gentlemen.

When Burke assembled his pieces that would take us to the promised land; look at who those pieces were.

Kessel, Phaneuf, Grabovski, Komisarek, Beauchemin, Gustavvsson.

If Burke envisioned that core as capable of winning a Stanley Cup; do you really want to entrust your team to a GM with such poor judgement?

Hell, most of us fans know that that core is capable of winning nada.

No gentlemen, you're missing the point.

The choice is not whether Burke should start his rebuild from scratch; or continue building on what he has.

The choice is which GM we should choose to replace him.

He has shown that he is incompetent.

Let's bring in someone who knows what he is doing.

[ConnorFutureGM]

Think of this gentlemen.

When Burke assembled his pieces that would take us to the promised land; look at who those pieces were.

Kessel, Phaneuf, Grabovski, Komisarek, Beauchemin, Gustavvsson.

If Burke envisioned that core as capable of winning a Stanley Cup; do you really want to entrust your team to a GM with such poor judgement?

Hell, most of us fans know that that core is capable of winning nada.

No gentlemen, you're missing the point.

The choice is not whether Burke should start his rebuild from scratch; or continue building on what he has.

The choice is which GM we should choose to replace him.

He has shown that he is incompetent.

Let's bring in someone who knows what he is doing.

Who would you bring in? It has to be someone who isn't already employed as a GM/President of an NHL team.

[jigson]

Keenan

[J-BOLD]

What a useless, recycled thread, just looking to stir the pot.

Not sure if you realize this, but this topic has been beaten to death in every thread already by Sluggo,Jockdent, Poy and Racer.

[Poyetas]

What a useless, recycled thread, just looking to stir the pot.

Not sure if you realize this, but this topic has been beaten to death in every thread already by Sluggo,Jockdent, Poy and Racer.

So stay off it...its better off without you anyway...

[Poyetas]

Who would you bring in? It has to be someone who isn't already employed as a GM/President of an NHL team.

John Davidson...

[racer888]

What a useless, recycled thread, just looking to stir the pot.

Not sure if you realize this, but this topic has been beaten to death in every thread already by Sluggo,Jockdent, Poy and Racer.

Because its true!!!!!!!

[J-BOLD]

Because its true!!!!!!!

You should be the last person in a thread talking about how the Leafs should of rebuilt.

[J-BOLD]

What ifs are so much fun, because people assume the future would of stayed the same, or very similar.


Sit back, and think about how different the NHL would be if a block buster trade didnt happen, for example.

The NHL would be pretty different.

Kessel traded to Toronto, Horton traded to Boston, Savard gets a career ending concussion...

None of that would of happened, if Kessel was traded.

For all we know, if Burke did rebuild, we could of did better than bottom 5 that season.

Another team could of traded for Kessel, and florida could of kept on to Horton, and a million other things could of happened.


Pointless thread.