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#1 Seer

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 11:54 PM

What is it with the Leafs and concussions..? :huh:

Reimer, MacArthur, Lombardi, Connolly (am I missing one?) ... and now..... Gardiner..

Not great news.. :(
Gardiner Dealing With Concussion Like Symptoms

TORONTO -- The Toronto Marlies aren't taking any chances with standout defenceman Jake Gardiner.

The 22-year-old blue-liner did not skate with the AHL team Wednesday, still shaken following a big hit in a game Saturday against Rochester.

Marlies coach Dallas Eakins says Gardiner is suffering symptoms consistent with a concussion, though the injury hasn't been labelled as such.

``He's got a bunch of issues in his neck and some headaches, so yes it could be symptomatic to a concussion or could be symptomatic to neck pain,'' Eakins said at practice.

Gardiner, who missed Sunday's game against Abbotsford, will not dress Saturday in Rochester.

Eakins says the team is taking it slow with Gardiner, who would be playing for the Toronto Maple Leafs if the NHL wasn't in a lockout.

``We like to err on the side of caution and move forward as if it's a concussion,'' Eakins said. ``He's improving, but is still symptomatic and we're very cautious with these things. We're going to take a real slow approach.''

In 22 games this season, Gardiner has nine goals and eight assists. The former first-round draft pick scored twice and added an assist on Saturday before leaving the game.

Gardiner, who didn't speak to the media Wednesday, has impressed so far this season, even getting Don Cherry's attention.

``Jake Gardiner of the Toronto Marlies is not only the best defenceman but he's the best player in the American Hockey League that I have seen,'' Cherry tweeted earlier this week.

``He's an American, he's big, got nice hands and an edge in his play,'' Cherry continued.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 11:57 PM

Sure hoping that this is not what it looks like.. and that he is back on the ice in another week..

It was a cheap hit from behind.. and the Porter left his feet... Jake was working on the puck with another player..

This happened in the game against Rochester.., on Saturday... Porter was given a mere charging penalty...


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Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:35 AM

Damit... I was hoping it was just something minor when they kept him out of the third period. I know they didn't come right out and say it was a concussion but their wording seems pretty familiar to what they said about Reimer and his "whiplash".

Hopefully Gards fully recovers, he was looking so dominant out there

Oh also seer, I think Liles was out with a concussion last year too

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 03:13 AM

Bad news. Hopefully it's nothing too serious and he comes back 100%.

Seer, I disagree however that it was an especially cheap hit. It wasn't really from behind, Jake was just looking the other way still, and Porter most certainly did not leave his feet. He took a number of strides into him so the call on the ice was correct but beyond that, nothing about jumps out at me as super dirty.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 04:38 AM

No reason to rush him at least, He can take his time coming back if really need be.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 05:21 AM

Bad news. Hopefully it's nothing too serious and he comes back 100%.

Seer, I disagree however that it was an especially cheap hit. It wasn't really from behind, Jake was just looking the other way still, and Porter most certainly did not leave his feet. He took a number of strides into him so the call on the ice was correct but beyond that, nothing about jumps out at me as super dirty.


Fully agreed.

It was a clean hit other than the charge.

Gardiner needs to keep his head up and not puck watch there. You cannot come around the net like that and expect not to get hit. Hopefully he'll get better soon, but at least he can take his time getting back.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 01:20 PM

What is it with the Leafs and concussions..? :huh:

Reimer, MacArthur, Lombardi, Connolly (am I missing one?) ... and now..... Gardiner..

Not great news.. :(
Gardiner Dealing With Concussion Like Symptoms

TORONTO -- The Toronto Marlies aren't taking any chances with standout defenceman Jake Gardiner.

The 22-year-old blue-liner did not skate with the AHL team Wednesday, still shaken following a big hit in a game Saturday against Rochester.

Marlies coach Dallas Eakins says Gardiner is suffering symptoms consistent with a concussion, though the injury hasn't been labelled as such.

`Eakins said at practice.



Thanks for putting up the article Seer.... I do have to take issue with it however... I watched "Marlies Today" last night and in the interview with Eakins he did not say "Concussion like symptoms" in his first statement he said he was "Symtomatic"... the reporter then asked "you mean consusssion like symptoms".. then Eakins made the satement "`He's got a bunch of issues in his neck and some headaches, so yes it could be symptomatic to a concussion or could be symptomatic to neck pain,''....

I just wish media people would stick to reporting what is said and not attempt to put words in the mouths if they do not hear what they want...

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 01:38 PM



Thanks for putting up the article Seer.... I do have to take issue with it however... I watched "Marlies Today" last night and in the interview with Eakins he did not say "Concussion like symptoms" in his first statement he said he was "Symtomatic"... the reporter then asked "you mean consusssion like symptoms".. then Eakins made the satement "`He's got a bunch of issues in his neck and some headaches, so yes it could be symptomatic to a concussion or could be symptomatic to neck pain,''....

I just wish media people would stick to reporting what is said and not attempt to put words in the mouths if they do not hear what they want...

I saw the interview too, Russ.. (I will attempt to find it shortly & post in here).. Eakins did say that they weren't sure & are "treating it right now, as a concussion like injury"..

That's why the title of this thread has the word "might" in it..

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 01:43 PM

As for what ..Taco & Someone.. said above, though..., I ask you both to review the hit above again in the video.. and this time.. PAUSE it around 23-24 seconds and look closely... Both skates did leave the ice, a fraction before the hit...

We can always agree to disagree on this, though... That's just how I see it, after reviewing it many times.. When Reimer was hit last season.., most people thought the same.., although later on more people noticed that there was no player pushing Gionta into the crease...

Things happen really fast in this game.., so repeated review is often necessary..

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:09 PM



Thanks for putting up the article Seer.... I do have to take issue with it however... I watched "Marlies Today" last night and in the interview with Eakins he did not say "Concussion like symptoms" ....

Here it is, Russ...

DALLAS EAKINS video interview, about Gardiner (12/12/12) ---> http://video.maplele...=190800&lang=en

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:11 PM

Great there goes our chances of ever making the playoffs or winning a cup. All the other teams are going to do now is just keep taking head-shots on our guys until there is no one left and we will be forced to hire a bunch of cast-offs like the ballard days. Wonderful!

I do have to say though Gardiner absorbed that hit better than I thought. Looking at it closely, I would be a little more concerned if Gardiner was wobbling and didn't get up at all, at least he made it off the ice okay. Well we will see what happens but I don't like this at all. The leafs need to get tougher, not give away their freaking enforcers, that's why teams take liberty with us, because no one on the team knows how to fight or intimidate!

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:42 PM

I think these things are more of a mental injury then anything. It's not like he got knocked out or even take the hit directly to the head.

Quit bitching and get back on the ice Gards. The trainers need to start treating these guys like hockey players. Enough with the Baseball crap.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 04:17 PM

I think these things are more of a mental injury then anything. It's not like he got knocked out or even take the hit directly to the head.

Quit bitching and get back on the ice Gards. The trainers need to start treating these guys like hockey players. Enough with the Baseball crap.



You, my friend, know nothing if you're making this statement. You've obviously never struggled through a serious concussion. They are downright scary.

Take it from a guy who's seen some of the top specialists in Toronto (the same one's who treat the Leafs).

A: You don't need to get knocked out for it to be serious and

B: You also don't need to get hit in the head. Imagine a guy who got hit by a train in a car wreck, he might not have got hit in the head, but you think (if he survived) that his concussion therefore would be nothing serious?

Here's a quote from Eakins to support:


“He’s good, but it’s funny with these (hits to the head). They’re all different and every player is different. Some guys get knocked out cold and lay on the ice but get up and are fine, and some get a brush and are out for a long time,” Eakins said.


Anyways, hope he's back on the ice soon and that it's not a concussion.


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Posted 13 December 2012 - 04:27 PM

As for what ..Taco & Someone.. said above, though..., I ask you both to review the hit above again in the video.. and this time.. PAUSE it around 23-24 seconds and look closely... Both skates did leave the ice, a fraction before the hit...

We can always agree to disagree on this, though... That's just how I see it, after reviewing it many times.. When Reimer was hit last season.., most people thought the same.., although later on more people noticed that there was no player pushing Gionta into the crease...

Things happen really fast in this game.., so repeated review is often necessary..


His feet come up a bit when he hits Gardiner not before, that's gonna happen in any big hit, it's just the physics of two bodies moving in opposite directions colliding, Porter is gonna rebound a bit because he puts so much force into his hit (as he should). Try pausing it right before he hits Gardiner, both of his feet are on the ice. The point is he doesn't jump at Gardiner, he just hits him, and he hits him from the front, Gardiner is just puck watching the other way.

For instance look at Phaneuf's hit on Sauer last year (generally agreed to be a good clean hockey hit)



Pause it at 37 seconds, and both of Phaneuf's feet are off the ice. You need to watch the hit in motion, it's not fair to Porter to pause at a certain point in the hit.

Sorry Seer, I think you got your Leaf goggles on for this one.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 04:39 PM

^^^ I don't see how you don't see it.. and maybe it was more from the side. but I still think it was a genuine penalty.... Gards should be more aware though.., I agree..

And I haven't worn goggles since the 1960's-70's.., when I skied & raced motorcycles.. :P

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 05:44 PM

That wasn't a penalty...

Gards was caught admiring his pass. It didn't look that bad though...hopefully he'll be back up and skating soon. Take it from someone who's had 2 concussions. I was out cold on both of them.....

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 05:49 PM

^^^ I don't see how you don't see it.. and maybe it was more from the side. but I still think it was a genuine penalty.... Gards should be more aware though.., I agree..

And I haven't worn goggles since the 1960's-70's.., when I skied & raced motorcycles.. :P


I think you're the only one who does see it Seer.

It sucks that Gardiner got hurt, but Porter did nothing wrong there, aside from charging, which he got penalized for.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 07:22 PM



You, my friend, know nothing if you're making this statement. You've obviously never struggled through a serious concussion. They are downright scary.

Take it from a guy who's seen some of the top specialists in Toronto (the same one's who treat the Leafs).

A: You don't need to get knocked out for it to be serious and

B: You also don't need to get hit in the head. Imagine a guy who got hit by a train in a car wreck, he might not have got hit in the head, but you think (if he survived) that his concussion therefore would be nothing serious?

Here's a quote from Eakins to support:


“He’s good, but it’s funny with these (hits to the head). They’re all different and every player is different. Some guys get knocked out cold and lay on the ice but get up and are fine, and some get a brush and are out for a long time,” Eakins said.

Anyways, hope he's back on the ice soon and that it's not a concussion.

Agreed. Race car drivers get concussed without ever getting hit in the head. Stopping from 145 MPH in a split second when you crash or hit the wall is an unbelievable feeling. It will blood shot both your eyes without ever having contact to the head.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 09:53 PM

Shut him down. These games in the AHL are mostly pointless for Gardiner. He's already an NHL defenseman, he showed that last season. When and if he becomes a better NHL defenseman, it will happen by exhibiting that during NHL games not AHL games.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 09:59 PM

Personally I have no issue with that hit although the suspendable hit guidelines laid out by the NHL last season did have a category of illegal hits from the blindside regardless of whether the head was targeted.






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